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Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: APL] #154897
08/12/13 04:27 AM
08/12/13 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
HOW is it reaped? Does God have to inflict the pain and suffering. After all, sin does not do it, right?


WHO is not mocked?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: Green Cochoa] #154899
08/12/13 04:34 AM
08/12/13 04:34 AM
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Are you saying, if we mock God, He will take retribution on you?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: APL] #154900
08/12/13 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Are you saying, if we mock God, He will take retribution on you?

APL,

The Bible says He won't be mocked. In other words, justice will come. You won't find a loophole out of getting what you have sown. You'll get it. You can't cheat the harvest.

You cannot mock God. There's no "if" involved here.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: asygo] #154901
08/12/13 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
Yes, sinners were attracted to Jesus, if you don't count the proud church leaders as sinners. Anyway, if you are attempting to approach truth as a true sinner would, then I would not venture to guess at your success. Since my "Damascus Road" experience, I have never tried to do anything as a sinner would.

And do you know which sin it is to try to interpret an author, then the author tells you that your interpretation is wrong, then you still stick with your wrong interpretation? It is the most incurable of sins.

I'll give my own interpretation when I have more time. Maybe tomorrow. I hope I get it right.
You are still judgmental and condescending, like us sinners. Why is that? Was Paul like that after his Damascus road? No.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: APL] #154915
08/12/13 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
You are still judgmental and condescending, like us sinners. Why is that? Was Paul like that after his Damascus road? No.

I say something. You interpret it. I say you're wrong. You say I'm wrong and you're right. Now I am condescending? Get real.

You want me to wax Paulesque? Here you go: O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord?

That's Acts 13:10. It applies now as it did to Elymas. I should have told you that long ago, so you might have seen sooner that Satan is using you to accuse the brethren. You are not seeking for truth or unity. You twist people's words to suit your tastes. And what you expect of others, you hypocritically ignore for yourself. In spite of your recent humility, counting yourself a sinner, you condemn those who do not measure up to your standard. We have seen you for too long to be that easily swayed.

For your eternal sake, please stop it. Get the eye salve, get the robe, get the oil.

Satan will tell you, "Oh, poor you. That mean Arnold is judging you. He's condescending. He's bad." Submit to God, resist the Devil, and he will flee from you. For once, look at what you have been doing honestly. See for yourself what Satan has been doing to you. Your eternal destiny is in the balance.

And take some time to look around. You will see that GC and I don't agree on everything. But he and I don't do to each other what you have been doing to everyone who disagrees with you. There is a way to disagree that leads to a fuller understanding of the Truth.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: asygo] #154917
08/12/13 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
I say something. You interpret it. I say you're wrong. You say I'm wrong and you're right. Now I am condescending? Get real.
I'm not limiting my remarks to the last few comments. My comments have to do with your usual method.

Originally Posted By: asygo
And take some time to look around. You will see that GC and I don't agree on everything. But he and I don't do to each other what you have been doing to everyone who disagrees with you. There is a way to disagree that leads to a fuller understanding of the Truth.
Should I then mirror your methods? Really?
Originally Posted By: asygo
For your eternal sake, please stop it. Get the eye salve, get the robe, get the oil.
Are your eyes without logs? Is that what you want me to believe?

You still have not clarified your position on which these last comments are bases. Please, I'm all ears.



Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: Green Cochoa] #154922
08/12/13 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
You cannot mock God. There's no "if" involved here.
That's interesting you bring up mocking God. Didn't just last week you mock Him?

Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: kland] #154937
08/13/13 01:22 AM
08/13/13 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
You cannot mock God. There's no "if" involved here.
That's interesting you bring up mocking God. Didn't just last week you mock Him?

No. At least, not knowingly. Your accusation seems geared only to provoke. Please do not post messages like this.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: APL] #154944
08/13/13 04:24 AM
08/13/13 04:24 AM
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Let's review recent history.

Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: asygo
I'm fairly certain the sin does not clean up after itself. I think God cleans up.

Paraphrase of arnold: "I'm fairly certain the wages of sin is execution by God because sin does not kill the sinner".

I wrote 2 days before your paraphrase:
Originally Posted By: asygo
Paul said that the wages of sin is death. So if Eve had sinned, then she should have died.

I know you read this because you replied to it. Yet, somehow, you still think that "sin does not kill the sinner" is an accurate representation of my beliefs. Should we conclude that this is the quality of your scholarship? If so, you have no business writing about anything at all.

But based on your work so far, I think you are far more intelligent than that. So what is going on here? It may be that you are so impressed by your own opinion that you are blinded to everything that contradicts it. Until recently, I was pretty sure this was the problem.

But it might be much worse than that. Like Elymas, you might have allowed Satan to so control you that you are merely a prisoner of his will. I have difficulty believing that the level of baseless accusations I have recently seen from you in multiple threads can come from merely human impulses. If it is only human, then my opinion of human depravity is much too high. But if it comes from the master Accuser and you are merely his tool, there is much more to worry about than your damaged DNA.

Please consider this carefully. The path you tread leads to certain suffering.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: What is the Wrath of God? [Re: asygo] #154961
08/13/13 02:04 PM
08/13/13 02:04 PM
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You have not clarified my paraphrase. You say, that I think that "sin does not kill the sinner" is an accurate representation your beliefs. Don't digress into judgment of me, just clarify your position. Does sin kill the sinner, full stop, or is God the executioner. And as a bonus question, what killed Jesus? Was it sin or execution by God? Since Jesus died the death of a sinner, that should answer the question.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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