So, to you, salvation and redemption are two different things? (See post above.)


Sure, we are saved by grace. But how was grace manifested? By Christ's death.

Heb 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

Salvation is the end product.

What is grace? I gave the BIBLICAL definition grace above. Read Isaiah 53:11 and Titus 3:5-7. Grace is not merely His death. Grace is the knowledge of how to fix the problem. Romans 5:20 But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:. This is not saying where sin abounds, Christ dies more and more. No. There sin abounds, the knowledge of how to fix the problem abounds even more.

The only thing that can cleanse, redeem, and save- is the BLOOD of Jesus - the Bible teaches, that "without the shedding of BLOOD there is no REMISSION of sin" (Heb. 9:22).

This belittling the shed BLOOD of Christ is nothing new, it seems to be creeping into many different Christian denominations as too "messy" and "offensive".

But this is what scripture says:

I. It Was The Price That Was Paid For Our Purchase



II. It Is The Blood That Is The Basis For Our Redemption



There are three words used in the New Testament for "redemption";
1. Agorazo, which means to buy in market-place.

2. Exagorazo, which means to buy out of the market-place, and set free.
Like Hosea's prostitute wife, we were being auctioned off in the market-place as slaves to sin, but Jesus, by His Blood, bought us to free us from sin unto righteousness.

3. Lutroo which means to pay the price and set free. Jesus paid the price so we can be freed.

In Peter's time, people who owed debts were often sold into slavery. Redemption had very literal meaning to them, for a kinsman could buy them back (redeem them) and set them free.

Peter told them:

"ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold . . . but with the precious BLOOD of CHRIST, as a lamb without spot or blemish." 1 Peter 1:18-19

III. The Blood Is The Basis of Our Peace

And how do we become recipients of this peace?
Only through faith. Faith that the blood is all sufficient for our redemption.

IV. The Blood Is Absolutely Necessary for Our Forgiveness



Divine forgiveness isn't just a mental activity, it involves the execution of the penalty, and that penalty is death. Jesus suffered that penalty so we could receive forgiveness.

V. Christ's Blood Allows us to approach God

VI. We overcome by the BLOOD of the Lamb


It is by His blood that we can count ourselves dead to sin, freed from sin, and can now live for righteousness in Him.

VII. We will sing about the precious blood of Christ in eternity

Amen, Dedication.

Isn't it wonderful that the Word of God gives us such light as it does? None need err, for the truth is all there.

We are certainly saved by Jesus' shed blood for us. Without His death, His sacrifice, none could be saved.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

You added a term, "shed". Of course the Bible says we are save by Grace. Do you define Christ death as grace? Do you ignore the Biblical definition of grace? Yes, Christ shed his blood for us. That alone does not save. It provides a way. And WHY did Jesus need to shed His blood? To pay a legal penalty? When Christ passed the cup, saying it was His blood, was Christ alive or dead? ALIVE. Divine forgiveness is a HEALING process, not a legal process. We have a new and LIVING way through the veil. We do have reconciliation by His death. Why? Legal payment? No. But much more we are saved by His LIFE. We do not worship the dead. We worship the living.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; Genesis 9:4 Only, you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. It is by Christ's life He assures us of life (Romans 5:10) We are saved by personal union with the living Saviour, who ever liveth to make intercession for us (Hebrews 7:25 compare with Romans 4:25). Jesus said, “Because I live, ye shall live also” (John 14:19 compare with Romans 8:11; Galatians 2:20). If the death of Christ had such saving power in effecting our reconciliation, how much more will His risen life have power to bring our salvation to joyous fulfillment.

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Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement.

Genesis 9:4 Only, you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Romans 5:10 For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more surely, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life.

Hebrews 7:25 Consequently he is able for all time to save those who approach God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Romans 4:25 who was handed over to death for our trespasses and was raised for our justification.

John 14:19 In a little while the world will no longer see me, but you will see me; because I live, you also will live.

Romans 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through his Spirit that dwells in you.

Galatians 2:20 and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

APL,

Nothing "alone" saves us. I've brought this up before. But Christ's death "alone" could atone for us.



And why? Why should Christ die? It was to meet the demands of the law.



I really do not understand your resistance to this concept, APL. Why do you not accept this truth that Christ's atonement fulfilled the law, met its demands, and thus opened the way for our salvation? Why do you reject this truth that the law required such an atonement before we might be saved?

Mrs. White goes on to say that Jesus' death alone would not suffice, but that it had to be a "shameful" death.



My question to you, APL, would be this: Why? Why did Jesus have to die to save us? And why must His death be "shameful?" How does your interpretation explain these truths?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

What was Christ's mission???
1) 1 John 3:8 Everyone who commits sin is a child of the devil; for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God was revealed for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
2) Hebrews 2:14 Since, therefore, the children share flesh and blood, he himself likewise shared the same things, so that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,
3) And this one, and note, it was before He died! John 17:4 I glorified you on earth by finishing the work that you gave me to do.

So, through death, He would destroy the devil. There is that word "destroy". Of course, how does that work? Interesting also that the Son of God was revealed to destroy the works of the devil! What are the works of the devil? Ezekiel 28:18 By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your trade, you profaned your sanctuaries. So I brought out fire from within you; it consumed you, and I turned you to ashes on the earth in the sight of all who saw you. And John 17:4, Christ had finished the work? And that was to glorify God. How did He do that? By revealing the real character of God in clear terms. The clearest revelation of all time. Yes, it was a shameful death, for He was MADE to BE SIN. He died the death of a sinner.

We are saved by faith that works by love.

In order to save the sinner, and yet meet the demands of the law, it was necessary for Christ to suffer the sinner's penalty. {ST, December 9, 1897 par. 7}

While the Saviour's death brought to an end the law of types and shadows, it did not in the least detract from the obligation of the moral law. On the contrary, the very fact that it was necessary for Christ to die in order to atone for the transgression of that law, proves it to be immutable. {PP 365.3}

If the law could be changed, man might have been saved without the sacrifice of Christ; but the fact that it was necessary for Christ to give His life for the fallen race, proves that the law of God will not release the sinner from its claims upon him. It is demonstrated that the wages of sin is death. When Christ died, the destruction of Satan was made certain. But if the law was abolished at the cross, as many claim, then the agony and death of God's dear Son were endured only to give to Satan just what he asked; then the prince of evil triumphed, his charges against the divine government were sustained. The very fact that Christ bore the penalty of man's transgression is a mighty argument to all created intelligences that the law is changeless; that God is righteous, merciful, and self-denying; and that infinite justice and mercy unite in the administration of His government. {PP 70.1}

Does the bread and wine of the communion service save you?

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