No. At least, not knowingly. Your accusation seems geared only to provoke. Please do not post messages like this.

You have not clarified my paraphrase. You say, that I think that "sin does not kill the sinner" is an accurate representation your beliefs. Don't digress into judgment of me, just clarify your position.

I said, "Paul said that the wages of sin is death. So if Eve had sinned, then she should have died." Then I said, "I'm fairly certain the sin does not clean up after itself. I think God cleans up."

From that, you think I meant, "Sin does not kill the sinner." Where do you get that? I didn't say such a thing, so you must have inserted it yourself. Whether it came from your own ideas or Satan gave it to you. In any case, you are the tool to insert that into the discussion. That is eisegesis.

Are you that blind? Or are you doing that on purpose? Either way, true discussion is impossible under such circumstances. You are merely causing strife. Satan is very happy with that, but I don't intend to dally with him or his tools.

If you really want to study, then stop the foolishness. If you want to continue to misconstrue and misrepresent, do it with someone else.

I think everybody agrees that sin is the cause of death; what not everybody agrees is that sin is the instrument of death, or at least, the sole instrument of death. In the end, the death of sinners will happen owing to the fatal combination of sin with the glory of God.

Not true. Your denial does not help your case. See #154748. Gregory called you on it too.

It's the modern versions, not Green Cochoa, that have misused this verse.

Well said. This was the concept that many did not understand. I was saying the opposite of what kland appears to recall me saying in a past thread. The thread had to do with Bible versions, where the modern ones make the text declare all foods clean--which the text had nothing to do with as kland now correctly states.

Again, this is one of those sources of "new theology." Bible versions. Let's check the facts on this text again quickly:


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"Purging" does not mean "making the meats clean." I know that some animals return to their feces and consume some of them because B12 is manufactured in the colon, beyond the point of absorption in the small intestine, but I am happy to not be one of those animals. I would certainly not view my "draught" as "clean" by virtue of the fact that it had left my body!

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

APL,
God's glory is His character, His holiness, His wrath, His attributes, which are the antithesis of sin and reprove sin. The manifestation of God's displeasure because of iniquity crushes out the life of the sinner.

God has given in His word decisive evidence that He will punish the transgressors of His law. Those who flatter themselves that He is too merciful to execute justice upon the sinner, have only to look to the cross of Calvary. The death of the spotless Son of God testifies that "the wages of sin is death," that every violation of God's law must receive its just retribution. Christ the sinless became sin for man. He bore the guilt of transgression, and the hiding of His Father's face, until His heart was broken and His life crushed out. {DD 16.4}

Were the law understood apart from Christ, it would have a crushing power upon sinful men, blotting the sinner out of existence. {LHU 158.2}

[Is the death of the sinner in the end, execution by God: Yes or No?
Is sin the direct cause of death of the sinner: Yes or No?
Is sin the direct cause of death of Christ: Yes or No?

#1. Yes, Rev. 20 fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.....And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

#2. Yes, God has supplied abundantly for the redemption of every human being to escape eternal death which is the sure end of sin. Clinging to sin is the cause why they find themselves in the devouring fire. Like Asygo said, "sin does not clean up after itself", God will clean up by sending fire down from heaven to burn up everything contaminated by sin, the whole earth and even the "heavens" around the earth, will be cleansed, and sin will be no more ever again.

#3. Yes, taking our sins upon Him and being separated from His Father because of the sin, broke Christ's heart. Yet, He gave up His life willingly -- nothing could have taken life away from Him if He had not given it up willingly. Thus He sacrificed His life so we might have redemption and life.

I really don't think the wicked will die of a broken heart because they are separated from God or because of a genuine horror over all the sins upon them. They are eager to march on the city and take it by force and set things up after their own liking. They regret suffering the consequences of sin and losing out, not being able to enjoy the bounties of God's eternal kingdom. That will be a suffering intense enough, (the whole "could have been" agony) but not equal to the agony Christ suffered because of our sins.

All that man needs to know or can know of God has been revealed in the life and character of His Son. {8T 286.1}

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him." John 1:18. {8T 286.2}

Taking humanity upon Him, Christ came to be one with humanity and at the same time to reveal our heavenly Father to sinful human beings. {8T 286.2}