I'm going to guess what asygo is trying to implicate - - It is not the "everything" as that is included in the "all". It is the "Christ's life on this planet" statement. I'll bet that is what he is trying to implicate. But, the context is clear, it is Christ's life as he lived it as a man on this planet that is the answer. John 14:9 is clear, it is his life on this planet.

But perhaps, asygo has some more great insight to share.

I agree. But what is "the Bible?"

I would not include the following errors as "the Bible."

1) Abolishing God's law
2) Saying we must continue to sin
3) Omitting verses of God's Word in order to remove doctrines, such as the doctrine of fasting
4) Calling all meats clean
5) Saying we can "look but don't touch" instead of saying we should not see their nakedness
6) Saying that the sacrifices were for "involuntary" sins instead of "sins of ignorance," as if there were no difference
7) Saying the seventh-day sabbath is just "a sabbath"
8) Removing the clear evening-to-evening definition of the sabbath
9) Undermining the divinity of Christ and His origination
10) etc. ad infinitum.

In short, I don't call error "scripture."

May God have mercy on those who bow to such errors, calling them scripture, when all of the facts were right there in front of them to teach them the truth. Unfortunately, believing a lie won't save anyone.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I certainly do.

Why is it that those who severely restrict their diets seem, as a consequence, to restrict their thinking as well? The mind is affected by the body. Health of both must be mutually maintained.

Ellen White states TWO sources for the "all that man needs to know or can know of God" statement:

1) the life of His Son
2) the character of His Son

Either I have been taught a lie all of my life, or "His Son" refers to Jesus, and Jesus is alive today and has always existed. Also, His character is revealed in His law, and through all of the prophets speaking to us. Moses was privileged to witness some of it personally, and he recorded his encounter for us.

Now, if I choose to limit my thinking to a narrow window of time, by putting blinders upon my own face, how intelligent is that?

My Jesus is ALIVE! Anything necessary for me to know about God, He can reveal to me!

What Mrs. White is saying is simply this: It has been Jesus all along who has been revealing the Father to us: Jesus in the Old Testament, Jesus in the New Testament, and Jesus in her own writings. Praise God!

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Why do some who reject the health message, (and make ad hominem attacks and go off subject), fail to understand what others have pointed out to them regarding this verse?

Green, what you are talking here on your little list is English. You are disputing English words and not manuscripts. You waver from one side to the other which indicates to me you don't really understand what you're saying.

But didn't you admit the KJV as error in it?

Would you stand up in a church holding the KJV and the RSV and proceed to rip out the pages of the RSV saying it is not really a Bible?

If you should do that, then all will see your character for what it is.

Yes, I see you do need some help.

Inspired: All that man needs to know or can know of God has been revealed in the life and character of His Son.

Not inspired: Everything, EVERYTHING, we need to know or indeed can know about God, has been revealed by Christ's life on this planet.

Do you see it now? The fallacy is that Christ's life and character was compressed into His life on this planet, and everything we can know about God is contained therein. Let's see if that holds up.

1 John 1:5
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

Christ was made "to be sin for us" during His life on this planet. (see 2 Corinthians 5:21) Many say that Jesus came in sinful flesh. Some even say that sin is in the genes that Jesus had. Wouldn't at least some of that count as some sort of darkness? But we know that in God is no darkness at all. How did John know that?

John 4:24
God is Spirit...

Was Jesus "Spirit" during His time on the planet? The SOP tells us that He was cumbered with humanity, quite unlike God. So how do we know this about God?

Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Was Jesus "above all, and through all, and in you all" when He was on this planet? I wasn't even around yet, so He wasn't in me. And being in physical form, how could he be in His 12 disciples? But Paul knew this about God, and then told us about it.

Romans 2:16
in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

Hebrews 12:23
to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

To help, I underlined the parts that were jumping out at me. Did Jesus do this while here? And if Jesus had already judged everyone, isn't it redundant for God to do it again, given that God's judgment was yet future at the time these verses were written? When did we see Jesus judging fornicators and adulterers? Yet, we know God will do it.

So we have Scriptures that tell us things about God that Jesus did not do during His life on this planet. Did EGW now know of these verses?

All that man needs to know and can know of God has been revealed in His Word and in the life of His Son, the great Teacher. {6BC 1079.9}

Well, it looks like she included His Word in the list of sources of knowledge about God. Did she contradict herself? Some would say so. But it think it is more likely that Christ's character is described all over His Word, and not just in the short 33 years of His life. And since John tells us that the planet would be filled if he wrote down everything Jesus did, it would be utter foolishness to limit our understanding of God to 4 short books of the Bible.

So it seems GC might be on to something there. Perhaps there is much to learn about God in the law and the prophets. Maybe the blessings and curses recorded by Moses are not extraneous. Perhaps the short record of Christ's life on this planet doesn't come close to what we can learn of His life and character.

AMEN - - and when you find a supposed discrepancy in the word, then you look to the Son life. Hebrews 1:1-3 Long ago God spoke to our ancestors in many and various ways by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds. 3 He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact imprint of God's very being, and he sustains all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, John 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
What an incredible statement! Did you not read {8T-286} that I posted? And you still want to make this claim? I'll quote it again. Read it again!
So asygo - I reject your view of Christ and His mission. His mission was to reveal the character of God CLEARLY. And this He did.

I guess APL was perceptive in what I was missing!

No, but I think you did. You first imply the life of the Son involved more than his short 33 years on this planet. Now you seem to acknowledge "life of His Son" means the life on this planet.

Assuming your first stance, that life and character means differently than life on this planet, you do seem to take a position that would be odd for Ellen White to have explicitly gone through several paragraphs as APL pointed out to say nothing. I mean, what's the point if she was not attempting to say we need to look to Christ as He had dwelt with man upon this earth?

Asygo, this is what it appears to me you have done in your quotes:

To answer the question, do scriptures show that God kills those who disagree with Him: We know God is going to kill people who don't do what He wants them to do. Christ didn't kill anyone on this planet, so therefore, when Ellen White says everything we need to know, has to involve outside His life. If Jesus didn't kill and we know God will kill, therefore we need to look at scriptures. And the scriptures tell us things about God what Jesus didn't do in His life here. Therefore, we conclude scriptures do indeed support the idea that God kills. We have investigated the claim of whether the Bible says God kills by making the assumption that God kills, not finding it in the life of Jesus, and then leaving the only alternative that the Bible does indeed show God kills people.

I found this in the Liberty magazine http://www.libertymagazine.org/article/keeping-perspective

It was talking about Marco Rubio being demonized not for stating he believed in creation, but for failing to say he didn't believe in it. He had said he wasn't a scientist, and theologians argued over the question, and he didn't see what the issue had to do with economic prosperity or gross domestic product.

Why were the liberals so aggressive in attacking him and others?

Paulson brings out in the article the sanctity of free choice. He states:


He talks about the revulsion liberals have of Christians using power and civil force for furthering Christian values and therefore:

The point I'm making is, if liberals can recognize the wrong of Christians using force and coercion to make people do what they want, would they see any difference if God did the same thing? And is that why they are so repulsed by anything religious because of how so-called Christians have used their opinion of what God is like to implement their own agendas? That if God uses similar means, they want nothing to do with God.

I see that neither kland nor apl has addressed post #155222. Usually people address quickly the points with which they disagree. So, do you agree with those points I made?

If so, I don't understand how you can give Arnold such a hard time over the points he is making.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.