Oh so you don't want to correct your statement since you were proven wrong? You are showing your true colors.

It takes a true child of God to admit when you have lied or misquoted someone. I guess that's too much to ask.

Mt Man, I wouldn't pursue this issue if I didn't see the truth so clearly in the VISION GOD GAVE ME. I only ask for those witnessing this to test the Spirit of the vision, this is an integral part of the last day message. It is the three days and nights 'sign of Jonah', the only sign that will be given to this wicked and adulterous generation.

Pray to God for His guidance in testing the vision by the truth, I promise in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus that you will be blessed. There is nothing wrong with this. Peace.

Praise God. As I have shared several times on this website, I have shared the vision of Jesus dying our second death in Gethsemane with many different SDA pastors including Pastor Doug Bachelor and out of them he was the one who responded most positive.

Others have used what God showed me in vision and dreams to formulate sermons before (such as Pastor Ivor Meyers) but no one has come close to listening to the whole vision like Pastor Doug did in this sermon that has just been released. Especially the Gethsemane segment (Part 2)


Part 1; Last Supper http://www.amazingfacts.org/television/everlasting-gospel/ctl/playmedia/mid/1022/mdid/2825.aspx

Part 2 Gethsemane http://www.amazingfacts.org/television/everlasting-gospel/ctl/playmedia/mid/1022/mdid/2978.aspx

Part 3 Accused and Abused http://www.amazingfacts.org/television/everlasting-gospel/ctl/playmedia/mid/1022/mdid/2998.aspx

Part 4 Calvary http://www.amazingfacts.org/television/everlasting-gospel/ctl/playmedia/mid/1022/mdid/2983.aspx

Part 5 Resurrection http://www.amazingfacts.org/television/everlasting-gospel/ctl/playmedia/mid/1022/mdid/3008.aspx

Part 6 Parting Words http://www.amazingfacts.org/television/everlasting-gospel/ctl/playmedia/mid/1022/mdid/2988.aspx

This is by far one of the best sermon series I have ever seen and I am so honored to have been part of the inspiration. Thank you Father.

These are the times when a fire burns within me against SDA. THEY DO NOT READ THE BIBLE FOR THEMSELVES. The "second death" is mentioned ONLY in the book of Revelation; and it is mentioned FOUR times, in the last two of which its definition is given.

1. Revelation 2:11
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.

2. Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

3. Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH

4. Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH.

Quick question? What is the Second death? Is it:

A: Death by crucifixion?
B: Messianic Death?
C: Post-millennial lake of fire death?
D: Death pronounced 'second death' by a prophet?
E: Not well-defined for a definite answer?

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

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Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Quick question - what kind of death is this verse speaking about?

This thread seeks to promote the idea that Jesus Christ died "the second death".

1. Did Jesus Christ fail to "overcome"?
2. Did Jesus Christ miss "the first resurrection"?
3. Was Jesus Christ cast "into the lake of fire where death and hades are"?

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Why didn't you answer the question regarding Romans 6:23 before asking other questions???

Rom. 6:23 is a general principle. The wages of sin IS death. But the term "death" as Paul uses it there is ambiguous. Earlier he spoke of being dead to sin (see verse 11), by which he means "be disobedient to disobedience and therefore die because of your sin against disobedience. Endure the trials for taking a stand against wrong." Space does not permit me to go into all the nuances of death to which Paul alludes in Rom.6.

Given the title of the thread, APL's question is a deviation from the topic. We are not discussing types of death but whether Jesus Christ died "THE SECOND DEATH", a term mentioned and defined for us ONLY in the Revelation; unless of course you can provide the verse elsewhere where "SECOND DEATH" is mentioned.

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John 8:48-52 Then answered the Jews, and said to him, Say we not well that you are a Samaritan, and have a devil? 49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honor my Father, and you do dishonor me. 50 And I seek not my own glory: there is one that seeks and judges. 51 Truly, truly, I say to you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews to him, Now we know that you have a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and you say, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

What death is Jesus talking about???

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

What death did Jesus taste for every man???

We are born, He was born as well. We are tempted, He was tempted as well. We die, He died as well. He lives, all will live as well: but every man in his own order. As it is written, "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one:for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren." (Heb. 2:11)

Jesus did NOT die "THE SECOND DEATH", a term mentioned and defined for us ONLY in the Revelation; unless of course you can provide the verse elsewhere where "SECOND DEATH" is mentioned. See post #155097.

1. Did Jesus Christ fail to "overcome"?
2. Did Jesus Christ miss "the first resurrection"?
3. Was Jesus Christ cast "into the lake of fire where death and hades are"?
4. Did Jesus Christ fail to keep His Father's word?

The answer to these three plus one questions is an emphatic NO. Jesus did not die the "SECOND DEATH".

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Hm - did you read the quotes I posted? You have ignored them. Perhaps you don't understand them. Interesting...