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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
[Re: James Peterson]
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08/16/13 08:35 AM
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The Bible does not encourage such blasphemy as you seek saying, "Where is there a beginning with God?" Be humble. The secret things belong to HIM.
The "water and the elements", created at the beginning of the week, was the foundation material for everything in our universe. In short, everything was done IN SIX DAYS: from nothing.
I showed you in my previous post that Gen. 1 presumes a geocentric universe. The sun moon and stars were set in heaven to "divide the day from the night." Today we know that, instead, it is the earth's rotation towards and away from the sun that does that.
Here is a second proof that Gen. 1 presumes a geocentric universe: it says, "And THE EARTH was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep." That DEEP was then lifted up, called heaven, and gave birth to the sun, moon and stars to serve the EARTH.
It was necessary that God call forth the seed of the universe from nothing at the beginning of the week, and that seed was THE EARTH at its core (from which would come all life), and HEAVEN surrounding it in water. In six days, that seed grew and became the house of God (Isaiah 66:1).
Such is the cosmology of Gen. 1. Stop trying to force your pre-conceived ideas on the text.
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... James, What are your own "pre-conceived ideas on the text?" How do you justify your opinions as being more valid than mine, or any less "pre-conceived?" When people have their own ideas set up above Scripture, it becomes a risky situation in terms of understanding truth. I establish my views upon scripture. There is, however, no scripture to support your concept of the "seed" being "the earth at its core." You have listed some verses, but they say no such thing. If you view anything that counters the plain "thus saith the LORD" of scripture as blasphemous, how are your own ideas not blasphemous? There is nothing that I have yet seen in the Bible that speaks of a seed growing into all of creation. From whence do you derive such a concept? Certainly, it cannot be from Isaiah 66:1, and I don't see any such concept portrayed in Genesis 1 where God is said to speak all living things into existence, finishing with Adam and Eve by His own hands. They did not come from a "seed." But God did create seeds. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/16/13 12:47 PM
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There is nothing that I have yet seen in the Bible that speaks of a seed growing into all of creation. From whence do you derive such a concept? Certainly, it cannot be from Isaiah 66:1, and I don't see any such concept portrayed in Genesis 1 where God is said to speak all living things into existence, finishing with Adam and Eve by His own hands. They did not come from a "seed."
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
 1 Cor. 15:36-57 ... ..
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/17/13 05:26 AM
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There is nothing that I have yet seen in the Bible that speaks of a seed growing into all of creation. From whence do you derive such a concept? Certainly, it cannot be from Isaiah 66:1, and I don't see any such concept portrayed in Genesis 1 where God is said to speak all living things into existence, finishing with Adam and Eve by His own hands. They did not come from a "seed."
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
1 Cor. 15:36-57 ... .. 2 Peter 3:15-16 Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/17/13 05:54 AM
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2 Peter 3:15-16 Blessings, Green Cochoa. Irrelevant to the discussion at hand, to the topic of the thread. .... ...
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/17/13 06:09 AM
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James, How was your scripture relevant. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The passage you cited had little to do with the physical aspects of creation, but much to do with their symbolic significance. Be careful that you don't misunderstand Paul's writings. If you are interested in the "seed" concept, a highly-significant matter in terms of the Great Controversy between Christ and Satan, the prophecies of Genesis 1, Genesis 2, and Genesis 3 are fertile territory for study. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/17/13 07:20 AM
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James, How was your scripture relevant. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The passage you cited had little to do with the physical aspects of creation, but much to do with their symbolic significance. Be careful that you don't misunderstand Paul's writings. If you are interested in the "seed" concept, a highly-significant matter in terms of the Great Controversy between Christ and Satan, the prophecies of Genesis 1, Genesis 2, and Genesis 3 are fertile territory for study. Blessings, Green Cochoa. So ....., back to the topic of the thread. The Earth was created 6,000 years or so ago, however, the Universe existed before the Earth was created.
It seems, however, that our Solar System, perhaps even our Galaxy was part of the six days of the creation of our planet in relation to the day in which our Sun and our Moon was created. It might be helpful to take into consideration the level of scientific understanding of the civilization at the time Gen. 1 was written. It is patently obvious that God speaks in the language of the people. ..... ..
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/17/13 08:03 AM
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The Genesis account nowhere mentions the sun and moon. We cannot with confidence determine from it whether or not they were created in that week. All we can know for certain is that the "lesser light" and the "greater light" were given to this earth for lights on this earth.
It may be that God created both sun and moon at that time. It may also be that God simply set them in their places, just as He did with the earth and the waters, which were already extant, during the creation week.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
[Re: James Peterson]
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08/19/13 02:00 PM
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The planet earth and water was already here. This is what the Bible says, has always said and will continue to say.
You are misinterpreting Gen. 1 because you are projecting your own modern cosmological thinking on the passage. It is a GEO-CENTRIC universe. And the same claim can be made against you. I was using the definitions of heaven and earth where you specified. Maybe you have changed to other definitions, now? So you believe that the earth is at the orbital center of all celestial bodies... .. That does indeed explain some things... ..
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/19/13 05:50 PM
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So you believe that the earth is at the orbital center of all celestial bodies...
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That does indeed explain some things...
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Silly. Do YOU believe in this day and age that the earth is "at the orbital center of all celestial bodies"? LOL ... ..
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Re: Deep Universe: Hubble's Universe Unfiltered
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08/20/13 11:27 PM
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Did you all actually watch the two videos in the first post in this thread?
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