1 John 1:5
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

Christ was made "to be sin for us" during His life on this planet. (see 2 Corinthians 5:21) Many say that Jesus came in sinful flesh. Some even say that sin is in the genes that Jesus had. Wouldn't at least some of that count as some sort of darkness? But we know that in God is no darkness at all. How did John know that?

John 4:24
God is Spirit...

Was Jesus "Spirit" during His time on the planet? The SOP tells us that He was cumbered with humanity, quite unlike God. So how do we know this about God?

Ephesians 4:6
one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Was Jesus "above all, and through all, and in you all" when He was on this planet? I wasn't even around yet, so He wasn't in me. And being in physical form, how could he be in His 12 disciples? But Paul knew this about God, and then told us about it.

Romans 2:16
in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

Hebrews 12:23
to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

To help, I underlined the parts that were jumping out at me. Did Jesus do this while here? And if Jesus had already judged everyone, isn't it redundant for God to do it again, given that God's judgment was yet future at the time these verses were written? When did we see Jesus judging fornicators and adulterers? Yet, we know God will do it.

So we have Scriptures that tell us things about God that Jesus did not do during His life on this planet.

I didn't even bring up anything from the OT. Interesting, no?

Put all scripture together...
John 5:22 For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son:



Who is God? Jesus is God. Did Jesus judge the secrets of men while on this earth? Oh Yes!!! Look at how The God of this Universe treaded those that condemned the women taken in adultery? Did Jesus judge fornicators and adulterers? Look at how the God of this Universe treated the woman in the same story! All your quotes, Jesus did here on earth during His life. How did Jesus treat sinners?

Interesting, No?

Interesting. Perhaps Jesus is the judge of this world, but the Father is the judge of all.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

"perhaps"?

There are two jugments: the investigative judgment, and the executive judgment. God the Father is the judge of the former, and Christ of the latter.

Here is Mrs. White's reference to that former, showing clearly that God the Father is the judge for the investigative judgment.



The book of Revelation describes the moment in time in which Jesus is promoted to the Judgeship of the world. It is at the time of the opening of the seventh seal. He alone is worthy. But that time comes at the close of the investigative judgment, during which the Father has presided as Judge. Following the close of probation for all, Jesus becomes the Judge, and He is then Judge both at the second advent and the third advent.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

John 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom you have given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me.

"One" doesn't mean "same person" or "same role."

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green - read chapter 35 of the book, The Ministry of Healing. (note - is it not the ministry of jurisprudence).

Like our Saviour, we are in this world to do service for God. We are here to become like God in character, and by a life of service to reveal Him to the world. In order to be co-workers with God, in order to become like Him and to reveal His character, we must know Him aright. We must know Him as He reveals Himself. {MH 409.1}

A knowledge of God is the foundation of all true education and of all true service. It is the only real safeguard against temptation. It is this alone that can make us like God in character. {MH 409.2}

This is the knowledge needed by all who are working for the uplifting of their fellow men. Transformation of character, purity of life, efficiency in service, adherence to correct principles, all depend upon a right knowledge of God. This knowledge is the essential preparation both for this life and for the life to come. {MH 409.3}

"The knowledge of the Holy is understanding." Proverbs 9:10. {MH 409.4}

Through a knowledge of Him are given unto us "all things that pertain unto life and godliness." 2 Peter 1:3. {MH 409.5}

"This is life eternal," said Jesus, "that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent." John 17:3. {MH 410.1}

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As a personal being, God has revealed Himself in His Son. The outshining of the Father's glory, "and the express image of His person," Jesus, as a personal Saviour, came to the world. As a personal Saviour He ascended on high. As a personal Saviour He intercedes in the heavenly courts. Before the throne of God in our behalf ministers "One like unto the Son of man." Hebrews 1:3; Revelation 1:13. {MH 418.1}

Christ, the Light of the world, veiled the dazzling splendor of His divinity and came to live as a man among men, that they might, without being consumed, become acquainted with their Creator. Since sin brought separation between man and his Maker, no man has seen God at any time, except as He is manifested through Christ. {MH 419.1}

"I and My Father are one," Christ declared. "No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him." John 10:30; Matthew 11:27. {MH 419.2}

Christ came to teach human beings what God desires them to know. [NOTE - WHEN was it Christ "CAME" to clearly teach what God desires us to know?] In the heavens above, in the earth, in the broad waters of the ocean, we see the handiwork of God. All created things testify to His power, His wisdom, His love. Yet not from the stars or the ocean or the cataract can we learn of the personality of God as it was revealed in Christ. {MH 419.3}

God saw that a clearer revelation than nature was needed to portray both His personality and His character. He sent His Son into the world to manifest, so far as could be endured by human sight, the nature and the attributes of the invisible God. [NOTE - WHEN was this revelation CLEARLY made? In His life on this planet] {MH 419.4}

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Let us study the words that Christ spoke in the upper chamber on the night before His crucifixion. He was nearing His hour of trial, and He sought to comfort His disciples, who were to be so severely tempted and tried. {MH 419.5}

"Let not your heart be troubled," He said. "Ye believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. . . . {MH 419.6}

"Thomas saith unto Him, Lord, we know not whither Thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me. If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him. . . . {MH 419.7}

"Lord, show us the Father," said Philip, "and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself: but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works." John 14:1-10. {MH 420.1}

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The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one. {MH 422.1}

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Character of God Revealed in Christ

Taking humanity upon Him, Christ came to be one with humanity, and at the same time to reveal our heavenly Father to sinful human beings. [NOTE - When did Christ clearly reveal his Father to sinful human beings? Answer - His life on this planet] He who had been in the presence of the Father from the beginning, He who was the express image of the invisible God, was alone able to reveal the character of the Deity to mankind. He was in all things made like unto His brethren. He became flesh even as we are. He was hungry and thirsty and weary. He was sustained by food and refreshed by sleep. He shared the lot of men; yet He was the blameless Son of God. He was a stranger and sojourner on the earth--in the world, but not of the world; tempted and tried as men and women today are tempted and tried, yet living a life free from sin. Tender, compassionate, sympathetic, ever considerate of others, He represented the character of God, and was constantly engaged in service for God and man.

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The revelation of God's love to man centers in the cross. Its full significance tongue cannot utter, pen cannot portray, the mind of man cannot comprehend. Looking upon the cross of Calvary, we can only say, "God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16. {MH 423.2}

Christ crucified for our sins, Christ risen from the dead, Christ ascended on high, is the science of salvation that we are to learn and to teach. {MH 424.1}
[NOTE - Where is the best revelation of God's love revealed? Christ's life on this planet culminating in the Cross]

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The knowledge of God as revealed in Christ is the knowledge that all who are saved must have. It is the knowledge that works transformation of character. This knowledge, received, will re-create the soul in the image of God. It will impart to the whole being a spiritual power that is divine. {MH 425.2} [NOTE - Revealed when? His life on this planet]

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This is the knowledge which God is inviting us to receive, and beside which all else is vanity and nothingness. {MH 426.4}


I have never limited Christ life to only His time on this planet. I have quoted EGW which shows that in His life on this planet, the clearest, most important revelations of the character of God have been revealed. The rest of the Bible must be interpreted by what Jesus has revealed about the character of God. And yes, I completely reject asygo's statement underlined above. It is an amazing statement to say the least... and totally untrue.

Actually I was asking if you could "find anywhere else in the Bible which contradicts that God slew Saul?"

You presented 1 Samuel:
You had mentioned nothing about 1 Chronicles. 1 Chronicles tells more specifically how Saul died. Looks to me you would have used that if you had thought I was asking "how" God slew Saul. Now, you don't mention 1 Samuel anymore but quote from 1 Chronicles. It seems to me a reasonable person would conclude you did not know about 1 Chronicles and when you found out, you have changed your tune. Is that the "ruse" you talk about?

Which supports my original statement that ignorance of what the Bible says does not mean it's not true.

Exactly.

Either you are saying Saul falling on his sword did not kill him, or that he had no choice and God forced him to fall on his sword, or you need to ask yourself, in what way can we harmonize these statements.

Did God force Pharaoh to harden his heart? And yet, God hardened his heart. Did God force Saul to kill himself? And yet God killed Saul.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.