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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Green Cochoa] #155388
08/24/13 10:02 AM
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Yes, I have the CD And I also access on-line.


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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155389
08/24/13 01:41 PM
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When I want to dig deep and check out the Hebrew and Greek, I like www.blueletterbible.org.

It is good that everyone here has easy access to the Bible and SOP. Now we don't have to rely on GC or anyone else to verify himself. We can all search the scriptures and SOP for ourselves to see if these things are so.


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And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Green Cochoa] #155395
08/24/13 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: Gregory
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I was simply lazy to click through all the quotes for the regular GC (1911) edition. Almost always, the paragraphs will be identical anyhow, save for pagination.


In this case they are identical.

Green: Right or wrong, people sometines question your useage of quoted material. When a current edition is available that people can check, it is much easier for one to check it out. When an edition is cited that is generally not available to most people it becomes hard for them to check it out.

In the event that there are changes, which is sometimes true, those changes can, in my opinon, be of great interest/value.




Gregory, and anyone else here on this forum: the latest and most up-to-date version of the Ellen White CD, containing all of her published materials, biographical materials, words of the pioneers, the King James Version Bible, Webster's 1828 Dictionary, and more is available at your local Adventist Book Center (ABC) for twenty dollars in both Mac and Windows formats.

It is truly a blessing to have these materials at hand, and to be able to easily find familiar statements in them via the search function.

I do often click past the compilation materials until I find the statement in an original work. But the GC 1888 is an original, and it is nearly the same as the GC 1911 edition in most cases.

God bless,

Green Cochoa.
As we say in the Islands, 'same dog, puppy',...

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: asygo] #155396
08/24/13 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
When I want to dig deep and check out the Hebrew and Greek, I like www.blueletterbible.org.

It is good that everyone here has easy access to the Bible and SOP. Now we don't have to rely on GC or anyone else to verify himself. We can all search the scriptures and SOP for ourselves to see if these things are so.
Added that one to my favorites..

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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Rick H] #155428
08/26/13 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
And yet the Reformation came about as the Reformers came into contact with text from the Waldenses Bibles, why couldnt they see it in the Catholic versions.......????

For that to be true, one would need to show that Catholic versions were available and contributed nothing to the reformation. Can you?

Is it because Reformers and the public came into contact with a specific version of the Bible or is it because they came in contact with the Bible?

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Rick H] #155449
08/26/13 05:26 PM
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And yet the Reformation came about as the Reformers came into contact with text from the Waldenses Bibles, why couldnt they see it in the Catholic versions.......????


Martin Luther, where did he get it? Was it from the Waldenses Bible? Or was it from a Roman Catholic version?

Here is what EGW says on this issue:
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While one day examining the books in the library of the university, Luther discovered a Latin Bible. Such a book he had never before seen. He was ignorant even of its existence. He had heard portions of the Gospels and Epistles, which were read to the people at public worship, and he supposed that these were the entire Bible. Now, for the first time, he looked upon the whole of God’s Word. With mingled awe and wonder he turned the sacred pages; with quickened pulse and throbbing heart he read for himself the words of life, pausing now and then to exclaim, “Oh, if God would give me such a book for my own!” Angels of Heaven were by his side, and rays of light from the throne of God revealed the treasures of truth to his understanding. He had ever feared to offend God, but now the deep conviction of his condition as a sinner took hold upon him as never before. {GC88 122.2}
I apologize for the fact that I do not have access to the current version of the GC. My citation came from the online EGW writings.

NOTE: A Latin Bible is not that of the Waldenses. Rather, it is a Roman Catholic Bible.

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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155453
08/26/13 06:35 PM
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Note what EGW said about the Latin Bible when Luther read it:

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With mingled awe and wonder he turned the sacred pages; with quickened pulse and throbbing heart he read for himself the words of life,. . .


She called its pages sacred. She presents it as containing the "words of life."

If she said this about what was actually a Roman Catholic Bible, I beleive that she would have soundly taken to task some of those who have posted about modern versions. If she had told us that the Latin Bible contained sacred pages I suggest that would have said the same about modern versions.

Folks, I will say agin, some of the posts made against the modern versions, in my opinion, are those that might be said by the Father of Lies, although I do not challenge the sencierty of those who said them.


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Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155473
08/27/13 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
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And yet the Reformation came about as the Reformers came into contact with text from the Waldenses Bibles, why couldnt they see it in the Catholic versions.......????


Martin Luther, where did he get it? Was it from the Waldenses Bible? Or was it from a Roman Catholic version?

Here is what EGW says on this issue:
Quote:
While one day examining the books in the library of the university, Luther discovered a Latin Bible. Such a book he had never before seen. He was ignorant even of its existence. He had heard portions of the Gospels and Epistles, which were read to the people at public worship, and he supposed that these were the entire Bible. Now, for the first time, he looked upon the whole of God’s Word. With mingled awe and wonder he turned the sacred pages; with quickened pulse and throbbing heart he read for himself the words of life, pausing now and then to exclaim, “Oh, if God would give me such a book for my own!” Angels of Heaven were by his side, and rays of light from the throne of God revealed the treasures of truth to his understanding. He had ever feared to offend God, but now the deep conviction of his condition as a sinner took hold upon him as never before. {GC88 122.2}
I apologize for the fact that I do not have access to the current version of the GC. My citation came from the online EGW writings.

NOTE: A Latin Bible is not that of the Waldenses. Rather, it is a Roman Catholic Bible.
When Jerome did the Vulgate he based it on the true text as he knew the corruptions that were out there, so there was some Catholic Bible versions that were good but the majority came from the Alexandrian codices and its variants, so I have to clarify that. But then the leaders at Rome forced the Apocrypha on him and that led to much confusion, so it had the true text but non Canon mixed in which the Reformers finally recognized for what it was and took out. So you have to understand the history of the Bible and go through it and you see how God kept His word protected as it was constantly being attacked with corrupted versions and manuscripts which had to be weeded out, just like we should be doing today.

Last edited by Rick H; 08/27/13 10:30 AM.
Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Rick H] #155475
08/27/13 12:24 PM
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Rick, is anyone here talking about and advocating the Apocrypha?

Re: Why the King James Version is Superior... [Re: Gregory] #155479
08/27/13 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
Note what EGW said about the Latin Bible when Luther read it:

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With mingled awe and wonder he turned the sacred pages; with quickened pulse and throbbing heart he read for himself the words of life,. . .


She called its pages sacred. She presents it as containing the "words of life."

If she said this about what was actually a Roman Catholic Bible, I beleive that she would have soundly taken to task some of those who have posted about modern versions. If she had told us that the Latin Bible contained sacred pages I suggest that would have said the same about modern versions.

Folks, I will say agin, some of the posts made against the modern versions, in my opinion, are those that might be said by the Father of Lies, although I do not challenge the sencierty of those who said them.
I'm not sure that would come across as a valid argument here. Although it has not actually been stated as such, but it has been hinted at by some that the Catholic Bible is true, but the Catholics have contaminated other Bibles but left their own alone. Therefore the Catholic Bible is true, but not others.


I had read your passage recently and was questioning if some thought Luther had finally came across the KJV!

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