I was going to say that you may not seize every opportunity to promote eggs, but after this, are there some where you don't?

Green, no one else here I have seen promoting NOT eating eggs. But you take most every opportunity to advocate everyone needs to eat eggs. Even on threads not related. Why have you taken it upon yourself actively promote where God has not led? I do stand up to error. And there have been more than opportunity.

(Don't suppose you'll moderate yourself on that post will ya?)

I do believe the Bible on this point. Don't you? I believe it is little short of a miracle that when Elisha cursed the youth for mocking him, bears came out and tore them. I mean, when's the last time you saw bears come out and just do a think like that on a crowd of people? It is unnatural. Most animals prefer to stay away from large groups of humans. They have a natural fear of us.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

kland,

You make some good points here, and ask some valid questions. May I answer by way of another question?

Why do Adventists push the Sabbath so hard when hardly anyone out there is really preaching for Sunday observance?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Personally, I don't know any adventists out there pushing the Sabbath so hard.

Are you saying you are The Egg Man? I guess that's what I asked, wasn't it?

Did you have your B12 deficiency while eating animal products?

kland,

Most every place I've been in the Adventist world, the Sabbath is preached on more often than the state of the dead, baptism, the gospel commission, or even the second coming. Perhaps your church is different.

As for my B12 deficiency, yes, it came while I was on a completely vegan diet. Eggs cured me. Unfortunately, the disease is contagious--it spreads through the growing misinformation campaign of those who think themselves to have found a higher, holier diet. I know many who have been sickened as a result. I am coming into contact with vegan sufferers with increased frequency these days, and their symptoms are increasingly serious.

• A young man in his early 30's, cut down by a fatal brain tumor.
• A young woman in her mid-twenties, with memory losses and weakness so bad she could no longer type.
• An older man who became so irrational as to no longer be able to work peaceably with other Adventist missionaries, though they wanted to be in unity with him.
• Middle-aged vegan missionaries who had become so fatigued, they had to force themselves to press on with their work each day.
• etc.

God is merciful, but He leaves us to the results of our free-choice decisions. As Ellen White warned us, death is the result of these premature restrictions. She told us to wait to give up milk and eggs until God had told us it was time. Has He told us?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Is there the possibility that the increased frequency has more to do with your criticism of calling other people "brain damaged" as you are doing with APL and myself? That anyone you disagree with, you call "B12 deficiency"?


And that's not specifically correct. asygo can see Saul fell on his sword and died, but since the Bible does not specifically say falling on his sword killed him, it did not happen. But then there's you who make all kinds of speculative conjectures. I'd be surprised if you can find anything which Ellen White specifically says that "death is the result of these premature restrictions". In fact, I don't believe you will find anything saying anything to that effect. Unless you have something additional to what you've listed in the past, I'm sure you'll list something, but not what a reasonable person would conclude. Have you considered that you saying B12 deficiency is irreversable could apply to you? Those who *might* have a B12 deficiency versus those who *have had* a B12 deficiency. Hmmm...

You say she told us to wait until God told us it was time, yet you cannot even in your wildest speculation conceive of how long we might be waiting and how God will tell us?

That is a lie. You are a liar, but not a very good one. If you're going to lie, at least try something that reasonable people might fall for.

Your problem is not a lack of B12. It's a lack of integrity.

I believe the problem may very well be linked to B12, Arnold. I've seen B12 deficiencies affect the minds of multiple individuals to the point that they do not understand how warped their own thinking has become. In one elder of the church, I saw how it caused him to view as his own a piece of property that had been rightfully purchased by someone else--and he used his influence to try to hang onto that property as if it belonged to him. He could not judge correctly on the matter. I was astonished that he could not see his own hypocrisy (this was in a board meeting). He had been vegan for many years.

Once one is blind, one cannot "see" to know it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

We need eyesalve.

I've been vegan for over 15 years, with a few exceptions now and then. I hope my morning ritual has staved off B12 deficiency.

As Arnold just pointed out, you are lying. You have also lied about me and about what I have said on this forum. That part doesn't matter to me. What bothers me most is your refusal to see, to accept, and to believe the truth. Since I have posted this before on the forum, and since you said I haven't, and that you didn't believe Mrs. White would have said such a thing, it shows that you did not "see" it, even when it was presented. I don't know if you'll see it this time either, but others reading here will.

Let this serve as a warning to anyone considering a vegan diet: once your mind is damaged from B12 deficiency, you may no longer be able to see the truth about your health, or even to understand other truths that may be presented to you.

Now, here's the quote:



Mrs. White has clearly said that premature discontinuance of the use of milk and eggs will result in death. It's too bad that it results first in impaired cognitive ability that then prevents the individual from grasping the gravity of his or her situation, leading to a self-perpetuating situation.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.