That's not true. God has provided precedence for his actions in:

1. Adam and Eve
2. Cain and Abel
3. The Antediluvian world
4. Sodom and Gomorrah
5. First of Israel out of Egypt
6. The Canaanites
7. The Jews

In all these cases, the word of God held true.

1. Adam and Eve died (eventually)
2. Cain's line was left to continue (until the Flood)
3. The Antediluvian world perished in the Flood
4. Sodom and Gomorrah were overthrown by fire from heaven
5. The first of Israel never entered Canaan because of unbelief
6. The Canaanites were swept away (eventually)
7. The Jews were taken to Babylon (& Rome), their city burnt.

When God says, "You will surely die," He means what he says, very literally: you will NOT live forever. You will NOT have access to the Tree of Life. But there is someone who wants you to believe that you will "not surely die", someone who knows God but who is laying the foundation for your fall by enticing you away from the direct commandment of God and the judgement to come: eternal life or eternal death.
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That's why we should invest in Gold Silver today, right? So it will be easier to pay.


I think you've said before something along this line. Always good to be first, the privileged, right?

Matthew 20:8-15 When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, 'Call the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and then going to the first.' 9 When those hired about five o'clock came, each of them received the usual daily wage. 10 Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received the usual daily wage. 11 And when they received it, they grumbled against the landowner, 12 saying, 'These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.' 13 But he replied to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage? 14 Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last the same as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous?'

Eternal death as in the 2nd death resulting from being cast into the Lake of Fire created by all the fire reigning down from heaven that consumes those, both root and branch, who have not accepted Him in the respective life times

Daryl eternal death is not even a concept that exist in the Bible even less it being related to the 2nd death.

You haven't replied to the Bible evidences I presented concerning the 2nd death being a repentance/submission to the Lord. Please address those scriptures before jumping in other texts.

Daryl I didn't want to reply to James point because it is as if James has not been following the discussion or even if he has read any of it.

James argument that the Lord said "you will surely die" that He meant this literally and He meant a eternal death that cannot be backed up with scripture, by which he's also disregarding the judgment process describe in the Law, and not accounting all other scriptures that was presented. So where to start to respond to James post??? To me James is trying real hard to find proofs that this vomit (man's interpretation) is good food.

James, what you said above by stressing the literal....goes against what Paul said when he said that the law(Pentateuch) is spiritual(Rom 7:14)...this includes what was said in Genesis too. For sure there are a literal meanings in what is written and I never said there wasn't any 1st death nor did I disregard other scriptures that all needs to be accounted in this picture. I have presented these in post#155566 page 8. Please James address the Biblical texts what I have presented concerning the first death and the second death. Also I would appreciate that Daryl and Asygo address it as they are the ones that questioned it.

All these texts(the Pentateuch, the Prophets and the book of Revelation) has spiritual meaning hidden behind the literal that brings life. Paul said about reading the Bible with the letter literally: "for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." 2Cor 3:6

Scriptures needs to be read with the Spirit because we are carnal and the carnal mind cannot understand spiritual things and only see the letter.

Also the Lord made very clear that all the things spoken in the Bible via the prophets are spoken in "dark speeches" (chiydah, a puzzle, a riddle) which are symbolic and it needs work to solve the riddle by finding the meaning of the symbolism with other scriptures. See Num 12:4-8

Which Bible are you reading?

My Bible speaks of the eternal damnation.



We also find references to perishing forever, having one's name blotted out forever, etc.



To me, those verses are indicative of an eternal death awaiting the wicked.

Elle, if it is possible that this game of life involves eternal death or eternal life as its reward, and if it is possible that this game is for keeps, with no second chances, why should you or anyone risk believing the alternative? If you lose, you lose big time.

If you believe as I do, that eternal death is a reality for the wicked and that there are no second chances following this life's probation, and if in reality the other position is correct, you have not lost anything.

In other words, my belief is the safest, whichever way the truth happens to be.

But if the Bible is to be believed, eternal death is real.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I will get back to it. I haven't forgotten, just out of time for now.

But I'm still hung up on a previous thing. Looking at the type, the ass that was not redeemed died; it did not go to work and eventually pay its debt itself.

Elle, if the second death = repentance, then Death and Hades will be repenting. I'm not buying that at this time.