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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #155759
09/04/13 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa

Here's the quote again, with my added comments this time in brackets.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
The reforms that are strained to the highest tension [discarding milk and eggs] might accommodate a certain class, who can obtain all they need to take the place of the things discarded; but this class forms a very small minority of the people to whom these tests seem unnecessary.

Who can obtain. Green, who CANNOT obtain? The majority or now a very small minority?

kland,

The statement is clear. There is a "certain class who can obtain all they need to take the place of the things discarded; but this class forms a very small minority of the people...."

In other words, only "a very small minority of the people" can do without those things. That leaves "the very great majority of the people" who should not discard those things. What are those things, kland?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155769
09/04/13 12:03 PM
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Green, if it's clear, then answer.

Who today CANNOT obtain?

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #155788
09/05/13 02:00 AM
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kland,

If you choose to stick with a completely natural diet, involving no supplements or processed foods (such as those containing food additives), the answer is still the same today as it always was. If you are an "enlightened" vegan who understands the need of B12 supplementation and you make sure to consume "fortified" foods and/or supplements to provide your lack, then there is an increased chance that you would be included in the "very small minority" of which Ellen White speaks.

However, there are still millions of people who do not have access to such fortified foods or supplements. Where I am, for example, fortified foods are non-existent, and the only B12 to be found is the cyanocobalamin form which is not readily absorbed in the body. In this region of the world, where literally billions of people live, it is not a possibility to become a complete vegan safely, unless one happens to be in that "very small minority" of which Mrs. White speaks.

If one is a vegan, one should get his or her B12 levels tested at least once a year.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155799
09/05/13 12:22 PM
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So you are saying Ellen White means by those who cannot obtain are those who cannot obtain B12 other than through animal products?

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #155805
09/05/13 01:03 PM
09/05/13 01:03 PM
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kland,

There are many nutrients in the humble egg toward which many vegans may be indifferent.

  • Vitamin B12
  • Sulfur
  • Folate (Vitamin B9)
  • Lysine
  • Vitamin A
  • Vitamin B6
  • Vitamin D
  • Zinc
  • Enzymes
  • Complete protein
  • Mono-unsaturated fat
  • docosohexaenoic acid (DHA)
  • Omega-6 Arachidonic acid (ARA)


And more....

We do not know all of the reasons for Mrs. White's direct endorsement of eggs in daily living and in medicinal use.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155809
09/05/13 02:18 PM
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"Put into your diet something you have left out. It is your duty to do this. Get eggs of healthy fowls. Use these eggs cooked or raw. Drop them uncooked into the best unfermented wine you can find. This will supply that which is necessary to your system. Do not for a moment suppose that it will not be right to do this. . . . {CD 204.1} " Do you know who she was writing to? And do you know what his problem was? It was Dr. Kress. In the next sentence, she was recommending a blood transfusion. Should we concluded this is the standard of care we should give to all people on the topic?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155816
09/05/13 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa

  • Vitamin D



And can you say that with a straight face? - Really .


Green, I never heard. Do you eat 4 eggs every day?

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #155820
09/05/13 08:37 PM
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A son lives next door with his family. Their pet chicken roam around freely without a fence on the grass. Some time ago one of the hens disappeared until she reappeared with 14 chicken.

These 14 litle chicken follow the mother wherever she goes, and at times they were all hiding under her wings.

I have been wondering how little chicken hatched in a machine are doing without the protective mother.

They give us some delicious eggs, even though I had almost discarded eggs, especially those bought in the super market.

These chicken are so tame they follow you around, and it is fairly easy to catch one of the little ones, take it up and cuddle it. The dog protects them.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Johann] #155821
09/05/13 08:43 PM
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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #155830
09/06/13 03:41 AM
09/06/13 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa

  • Vitamin D



And can you say that with a straight face? - Really .


Green, I never heard. Do you eat 4 eggs every day?


Are you implying that eggs do not have vitamin D? If so, why?

They do indeed.

Originally Posted By: NIH
Sources of Vitamin D
Food
Very few foods in nature contain vitamin D. The flesh of fatty fish (such as salmon, tuna, and mackerel) and fish liver oils are among the best sources [1,11]. Small amounts of vitamin D are found in beef liver, cheese, and egg yolks. Vitamin D in these foods is primarily in the form of vitamin D3 and its metabolite 25(OH)D3 [12]. Some mushrooms provide vitamin D2 in variable amounts [13,14]. Mushrooms with enhanced levels of vitamin D2 from being exposed to ultraviolet light under controlled conditions are also available.

Fortified foods provide most of the vitamin D in the American diet [1,14]. For example, almost all of the U.S. milk supply is voluntarily fortified with 100 IU/cup [1]. (In Canada, milk is fortified by law with 35–40 IU/100 mL, as is margarine at ≥530 IU/100 g.) In the 1930s, a milk fortification program was implemented in the United States to combat rickets, then a major public health problem [1]. Other dairy products made from milk, such as cheese and ice cream, are generally not fortified. Ready-to-eat breakfast cereals often contain added vitamin D, as do some brands of orange juice, yogurt, margarine and other food products.

Both the United States and Canada mandate the fortification of infant formula with vitamin D: 40–100 IU/100 kcal in the United States and 40–80 IU/100 kcal in Canada [1].


As I said, "There are many nutrients in the humble egg toward which many vegans may be indifferent." Or ignorant, as the case may be.

The interesting thing is that of those foods mentioned to have natural levels of vitamin D3, only eggs would be allowable per Mrs. White. She is positively against the use of cheese, and she would have most people discard flesh meats entirely, along with animal fats. That leaves only eggs of that list that she would recommend.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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