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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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09/08/13 08:28 PM
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Is death a symptom or a cause?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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For with thee is the fountain of life.” And the wise man declares, “The wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook.” To Jeremiah, Christ is “the fountain of living waters”; to Zechariah, “a fountain opened ... for sin and for uncleanness.” {TMK 24.3} Why is Jesus the fountain of life? Has He always been the fountain of life?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Who sentenced Jesus to death?
Was it a devoted child of God who issued the verdict of death after prayer and fasting? No, it was God Himself and Jesus who chose His own death. I don't know if God needs to eat, and I don't see why He would pray. But God, of His own love for us, gave His Son to die in our stead. By Christ the true standard is presented. He made it possible for man to be once more united with God. He came to take the sentence of death for the transgressor. Not one precept of the law could be altered to meet man in his fallen condition; therefore Christ gave His life in man's behalf, to suffer in his stead the penalty of disobedience. This was the only way in which man could be saved, the only way in which it could be demonstrated that it is possible for man to keep the law. Christ came to this earth and stood where Adam stood, overcoming where Adam failed to overcome. He is made unto us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification and redemption. {ST, June 13, 1900 par. 4} Where did that sentence of death come from? From the moment of sin's inception man was sentenced to die by God's law. Mrs. White says this of Adam: The sentence of death pronounced upon him by his Maker, which at first appeared so terrible to him, after he had lived some hundreds of years, looked just and merciful in God, to bring to an end a miserable life. {1SP 57.2} Apparently, to Johann, APL and others, who haven't lived as long as did Adam, the sentence of death pronounced upon them by God still appears "terrible" to them. Were they privileged to live a few hundred years more, it would become "just and merciful" in their minds. I choose to accept it as "just and merciful" by faith, as well as by my own experience of having had many difficulties in this sinful planet. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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There is NO QUESTION, that the natural consequences of sin is death. In the beginning, the universe did not understand this. This is part of the Great Controversy. "It is Satan's constant effort to misrepresent the character of God, the nature of sin, and the real issues at stake in the great controversy." {GC-569}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Why did Ellen Whie write the following: Satan saw that his disguise was torn away. His administration was laid open before the unfallen angels and before the heavenly universe. He had revealed himself as a murderer. By shedding the blood of the Son of God, he had uprooted himself from the sympathies of the heavenly beings. Henceforth his work was restricted. Whatever attitude he might assume, he could no longer await the angels as they came from the heavenly courts, and before them accuse Christ’s brethren of being clothed with the garments of blackness and the defilement of sin. The last link of sympathy between Satan and the heavenly world was broken. {DA 761.2}
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Johann, do you believe that it was Satan's will and by his power that Jesus died? Do you believe that God could not prevent Christ's death?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Arnold, I asked why Ellen White wrote those words. Do you have an answer to that question?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Johann, do you believe that it was Satan's will and by his power that Jesus died? Do you believe that God could not prevent Christ's death? I would like to hear Johann's answer to this as well. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Both of you are "cleverly" trying to avoid "listening" to the words of the Spirit of Prophecy. In whose interest?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2)
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Both of you are "cleverly" trying to avoid "listening" to the words of the Spirit of Prophecy. In whose interest? You are the one evading questions here. Have you an answer to Arnold's question? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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