James you are revealing your reason to follow the Lord -- so that you won't go thru the lake of fire??? Are you trying to save yourself? That ain't going to work no matter how "obedient" you manage to be by your own strenght, you will still fall short of the mark and end up in the lake of fire as Jesus said His baptism is -- of fire. Everyone will go through the lake of fire(2nd death = repentence) whether they went into it early -- before the judgment day -- or later.

Isaiah 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.


You know, there's other reasons to follow the Lord. Not because we first loved Him, but because He Helkuo(drag see usage in BLB) us into harsh discipline.

There's a law in Moses that prophecizes of those the Lord has helkuo & discipline early and it is related to the law of Jubilee.

Exodus 21:1 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them. 2. If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. 3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. 5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever."

I don't have time to expand on this one and I'll leave it for your meditation and potential later discussion. But this is what happened to the first fruits company...they did not go out at the first yearly Jubile sabbath and remain permanent servants(slaves) to the Lord -- their Master.

The Law of Jubilee can be found in Lev. 25. It is based on this principle: that God claims both the land and people as HIS. We are only custodians for a time. He says, "The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine." (Lev. 25:23) and again, "the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God." (Lev. 25:55)

The Law of Jubilee served as a deterrent against exploitation, against slavery, against bondage; it was a means of escape from servitude and pain. It foreshadowed the freedom we will enjoy in Christ and the opportunity granted to the world to escape its bondage to the Devil. We have ONE Master, God; and He is not a tyrant, but someone who forgives, heals and gives life.

The Day of Jubilee was the Day of Atonement, as it is written, "Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you." (Lev. 25:9-10) On that Day, the sin of the congregation was taken away, the scapegoat was taken away, bondage and servitude were taken away, and the people who remained were blessed and set free. As it is written, "If the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." (John 8:36)

But who does the Son set free on the Day of Jubilee? Those who afflict their souls (i.e. sincerely repent of their sins), as it is written, "[the Day] shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord ... any person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his people; and any person who does any work on that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people." (Lev. 23:26:32)

It is evident therefore, that the Day of Jubilee had one of two results. Those who sincerely repented, were forgiven, cleansed, set free and inherited the earth under their feet, were returned to their lost possessions. Those who callously disregarded the day were cut off, destroyed, lost, driven away and were never to be see or heard of again. That was the Law of Jubilee.
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Daryl, my source is the Bible and the Bible alone. I've been here 5 years and my post shows this. I do not appreciate the false witness you have just given against me in this post. You have ask me in post #155753 the following
You did me wrong and I expect an appology.

At the odd time, I may read other's people thinking or studies at times as anyone does when I read what you or Asygo or anyone says on the forum, but I will verify it all against the Bible as instructed in Deut 13 & Deut 18 and Is 8:20 and Ez 14. I do not rest on others people interpretation like you admitted you do and live off every word they say as if they are infallible like you and most of us SDAs do with EGW. You admit this above by which she and James never approved of that and said it was a Christian duty to study for ourselves the Bible and prove all things from the Bible.

It was that EGW counsel that I took seriously and was my purpose to come here 5 years ago. To prove all things and come to know the Lord's way is still my purpose today. Nothing has changed. The only thing that has changed is I have become more acquainted with the Law and what the Bible says and it is very evident it doesn't say what the SDA denomination has taught us.

You did me wrong and I expect an appology[sic].

no freewill

Christ warned us about wrongly dividing the Word of God and following every wind of doctrine. The Serpent wrongly divided the Word of God to Eve and Eve listened and followed that wrong wind of doctrine. The Devil even tried to do the same thing to Christ in the Wilderness, but without success.

Believing that everybody will ultimately be saved in the end and nobody will be lost goes contrary to rightly dividing the Word of God.

If I am wrong, then show me where Christ has told us that we are to interpret the Word of God to what is written in the Law of Moses?

I have not been following this thread, but if everybody will be saved in the end, this means one can be saved even if he/she lives in sin; why would someone accept Christ and quit sin?

There are a lot of people out there who say their source is the Bible alone in how they interpret it, but that doesn't make their interpretation correct, which is why we have so many contradictory interpretations of the Bible, which is also why God called Ellen White to be the lesser light to lead us to a proper understanding and interpretation of the Greater Light.

The Secret Rapture Doctrine is one BIG example of a wrong interpretation of the Bible by an individual that has infiltrated more than one church denomination. Other examples are the wrong interpretation of what happens to a person immediately after death, the Sabbath-Sunday issue, the Law has been done away issue, etc.

Christ warned us about wrongly dividing the Word of God and following every wind of doctrine. The Serpent wrongly divided the Word of God to Eve and Eve listened and followed that wrong wind of doctrine. The Devil even tried to do the same thing to Christ in the Wilderness, but without success.

Believing that everybody will ultimately be saved in the end and nobody will be lost goes contrary to rightly dividing the Word of God.

If I am wrong, then show me where Christ has told us that we are to interpret the Word of God to what is written in the Law of Moses?

The Law that Jesus is referring to is the Law of Moses by which Jesus gave to Moses himself. Jesus is attesting in Mat 5:18 that the Law is prophetic and not even a tittle or a jot (which are the smallest pen strokes of the Hebrew character of a word that consititue vowels) will pass without being all fulfill.