kland - not only did the Father execute Christ, he was ANGRY with Him according to Green!

Father,forgive them, for they do not know the TRUTH!

This is a section from the Desire of Ages they will not accept:

Satan saw that his disguise was torn away. His administration was laid open before the unfallen angels and before the heavenly universe. He had revealed himself as a murderer. By shedding the blood of the Son of God, he had uprooted himself from the sympathies of the heavenly beings. Henceforth his work was restricted. Whatever attitude he might assume, he could no longer await the angels as they came from the heavenly courts, and before them accuse Christ’s brethren of being clothed with the garments of blackness and the defilement of sin. The last link of sympathy between Satan and the heavenly world was broken. {DA 761.2}

Did you read what I have posted?



Do you believe God is pleased when you baselessly misrepresent my words?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green - it was not baseless. THAT claim of yours is baseless. You said, "Why was God angry with Jesus?". When I confronted you on it, you backtracked. Why did you ever ask "Why was God angry with Jesus?" It is because you do not understand what God's wrath truly is. You associate the things that the devil and sin brings with what God does.

APL,

What is "wrath?"

Why did Jesus experience the "wrath" of the Father?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

You make my point. Thank you.

You are evasive. Why? What point have I made? I have merely asked you some questions--which you seem reticent to answer. Why?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Because I have answered many times. You do not listen. You do not understand what God's wrath is. You picture it as God being angry, then murdering his children. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Read Romans 1!

Romans 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Why God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

God's wrath is revealed. What is it? It is stated clearly in this quotation. Can you identify it?

You are the one who is not listening. Please point me to even one post where I have said that God murders. You will not find one.

Yes, I have said that God kills. But just because YOU do not see any difference does not mean that I or others do not. Your inability to discern the distinction between "kill" and "murder" does not equate to an inability on my part to listen.

I have been listening. That is not the issue here. Your problem is that you are displeased that I do not change my view to equal yours in every way. I am, however, entitled to maintain my view until I am shown something that is superior. You have failed to demonstrate to me that your view is superior.

God's wrath is revealed. Indeed. Where in that text does it ever say that this is the ONLY portion of God's wrath to ever be revealed? If you take it to mean that this is the only manner in which God's wrath is to be revealed, how do you interpret Mrs. White's statements that tell us, in clearest terms, that God's full wrath has never been revealed yet, and will only be demonstrated after probation's close?

Of course, you have no answer for this. But instead of adjusting your view, you belittle others who hold a different view.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.