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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155831
09/06/13 03:42 AM
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Johann,

It sounds like you have a good source of healthful eggs. You are blessed.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #155841
09/06/13 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
"Put into your diet something you have left out. It is your duty to do this. Get eggs of healthy fowls. Use these eggs cooked or raw. Drop them uncooked into the best unfermented wine you can find. This will supply that which is necessary to your system. Do not for a moment suppose that it will not be right to do this. . . . {CD 204.1} " Do you know who she was writing to? And do you know what his problem was? It was Dr. Kress. In the next sentence, she was recommending a blood transfusion. Should we concluded this is the standard of care we should give to all people on the topic?


Perhaps I shall have to address this. Ignorance is hard to battle.

Mrs. White wrote out the egg remedy for multiple individuals, not only Dr. Kress. You probably know this, but are hoping I do not, or that others reading here will not. This constant attack through displays of ignorance, feigned or otherwise, wear on me. It is not a Christian attitude which is displayed in the purposeful misrepresentation of Mrs. White's counsels.

Here are other examples, for your "enlightenment."

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
I dreamed of having the care of a child that was weak, and seemed unable to rally. I thought the same physician stood by the cradle, and said, 'Have you any wine in the house? Beat up a raw egg, and give it to the child with grape wine [i.e., the unfermented juice of the grape], three times each day. He will rally.'--Letter 112a, 1897. {3MR 321.3}

The second or third night I dreamed of having the care of a child that was weak and seemed unable to rally. I thought the same physician stood by the cradle and said, "Have you any wine in the house? Beat up a raw egg, and give it to the child with grape wine, three times each day. He will rally." Dr. Lay came the next morning, and said he must return to the sanitarium the next morning, that the erysipelas was conquered but that he was extremely weak. "I am perplexed to know what to do." I told him my dream, and he went immediately and gave him the strengthening potion. He gained strength rapidly. This occurred when Willie was about twelve years old. {20MR 280.2}


Note that in this vision the Divine Physician recommended three eggs a day for a CHILD. This vision was given just before Dr. Lay came to inquire of Mrs. White what treatment to give to an older gentleman...well, let me quote the portion identifying the patient in this case.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
Brother Wilson, father of the Brother Wilson now in Tasmania, had been sick, and a telegram was sent for Dr. Lay to come immediately. His father was in a terrible state of erysipelas.


This "erysipelas" case had nothing to do with Dr. Kress. Neither was the vision of giving this medicine to a "child" used to support the treatment of a child. This tells us the nature of the prescribed remedy--it is a universal remedy which can be applied to anyone in need, whether child or elderly.

Nor did this have anything to do with a blood transfusion. That appears to be a separate thought of Mrs. White applicable to Dr. Kress, and possibly applicable to similar severe cases of vegan deficiency where the blood has become so anemic as to put one close to death as was Dr. Kress' situation.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155861
09/06/13 12:13 PM
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The point is that in these situations, the recommendation was for a specific problem, and you extrapolate to ALL. Probably because you had the same problem, so everyone else must to.


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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155864
09/06/13 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
The interesting thing is that of those foods mentioned to have natural levels of vitamin D3, only eggs would be allowable per Mrs. White. She is positively against the use of cheese, and she would have most people discard flesh meats entirely, along with animal fats. That leaves only eggs of that list that she would recommend.
Green, it's so hard to communicate with you. It must be that brain damage you've experienced.

You don't need vitamin D from foods. You get it from the sunshine. You implied eggs supplied vitamin D which vegan may be lacking and cannot get otherwise. Not true.




Green, I never heard. Do you eat 4 eggs every day?

Why have you not answered this question? Are you suffering from inadequate amounts of B12?

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #155865
09/06/13 12:48 PM
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k: Who can obtain. Green, who CANNOT obtain? The majority or now a very small minority?

G: In other words, only "a very small minority of the people" can do without those things. That leaves "the very great majority of the people" who should not discard those things.

k: Green, if it's clear, then answer. Who today CANNOT obtain?

G: However, there are still millions of people who do not have access to such fortified foods or supplements.


Let's analyze this.

I understood the world to have over 4 billion people. You even say that in your part of the world there are "literally billions".

I asked who cannot obtain. You said millions.

No one would deny that you are prone to exaggeration in this.

If you thought there were at least a billion, you would have said billions.

If there are 4 billion of people on this earth, and one billion cannot obtain, then that would be 25%.

Would you say 25% of something constitutes a "very great majority"?

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #155993
09/10/13 02:46 PM
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Eggs vs. Cigarettes in Atherosclerosis

A similar exponential increase in carotid artery plaque buildup was found for smokers and egg eaters.

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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #155995
09/10/13 03:15 PM
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Green's response seems lacking.

Does he eat 4 eggs every day to think he's getting his B12?

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/111/2

1 large egg gives
.6mcg of B12 excepting this site says it's only 11% of daily value. Meaning maybe he should be eating about 9 eggs!

211mg of cholesterol * 4 = 844mg
71 calories * 4 = 284 and 180 of them from fat
2g of saturated fat * 4 = 8g saturated fat
70mg of sodium * 4 = 280mg

And all this in addition to the site which said those expecting food to supply their B12 are deceiving themselves because the B12 could be food bound. They should be taking supplements.

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #156002
09/11/13 02:03 AM
09/11/13 02:03 AM
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kland,

Are you taking supplements of B12 every day? How many micrograms per day do you take?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #156011
09/11/13 12:02 PM
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You were the one concerned about everyone else's B12. What about yours?

I'm concerned about someone trying to tell me that I need to take something with lots of cholesterol, calories, saturated fat, and sodium among many other harmful things.

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #156023
09/12/13 01:35 AM
09/12/13 01:35 AM
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kland,

No one has proven to me that the cholesterol in eggs is harmful. The scientific jury may still be out on it, but for the most part, the tide is changing in favor of eggs. Eggs have a higher HDL cholesterol, and of the two kinds of LDL, one which is especially bad, and one which is not so harmful, I suspect eggs have the more benign variety. Overall, eggs help to improve one's cholesterol status.

Calories. Who's afraid of calories? I need them, don't you? What would we do without energy?

Saturated fat. I would need to know more about this one than I do now, but I suspect that the fat in eggs is far more healthful than you might be aware. Why, for example, is the fat-soluble vitamin D in eggs?

Yes, you can get vitamin D made in your skin while in the presence of sunshine. However, the majority of Americans are vitamin D deficient. It's causing a host of problems, which is why the USDA is adding vitamin D to a number of "fortified" foods.

Sodium. I personally do not get enough sodium much of the time. (I just happened to have added about 1/3 teaspoon of salt to my soup last night because I felt a craving for it. My diet of late has been a low-sodium diet, but in this climate I may need more sodium than some others might.) Mrs. White tells us that it is good for the blood. Everything in moderation, of course, but sodium is not harmful to most people. If you have a kidney disease, you may need to follow a more stringent regimen on this one, but most people would have nothing to worry about in terms of an egg's sodium content.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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