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Re: Global Warming Farce
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09/22/13 01:25 AM
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It is a fact that in mountain ranges of western Canada the glaciers are retreating and some fear many will disappear. I remember what they looked like 50 years ago compared to what they look like today, and the difference is very apparent.
These glaciers (especially the Columbia ice field) are the main source of fresh water rivers for a lot of America, so this isn't something to be unconcerned about.
When a glacier melts more snow and ice than it receives, it begins to recede. These glaciers are receding.
Now glaciers tend to move (coming and going over centuries of time) so is this due to global warming or is this due to some other cyclic phenomena governing glaciers?
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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09/22/13 01:50 AM
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I agree, dedication. I have also witnessed the receding of the Canadian glaciers personally, as I have done a fair bit of hiking in Canada's mountains. I could here tell miracle stories of God's protection as we hiked over hidden crevasses and slippery ice cliffs. (And I would not claim to be a "professional" mountaineer, as perhaps Mountain Man is.)
I've seen some articles in the news about how sandstorms and rocky avalanches have contributed to the receding glaciers, by creating dark spots in the white landscape that attract the sun's rays and heat. These then melt the ice. It has been my personal experience to visit boulder-embedded glaciers, and to see the danger of walking around them, for they create a void, sometimes several feet in width, around the boulders which have heated and melted the surrounding snow and ice.
Some might point to this and see it is a phenomenon that is separate from global warming that causes this, to which I would query in return, "Why are so many glaciers suddenly experiencing this same phenomenon at the same time?"
Let's go back to the basic principles of what atmospheric warming will do:
1) Generate winds (think sandstorms, jet stream, tropical storms, and all else related to wind currents, including tornadoes from the mixing of cold and warm air masses)
2) Increase evaporation and sublimation of water
3) Increase the capacity of the atmosphere to hold water
4) By a combination of the above principles, increase the total precipitation received on land (think dew, rain, hail, sleet, frost, snow)
5) On account of #4 above, increase the likelihood of flooding
The above points are almost incontrovertibly being proven to have had a greater impact in the most recent decade than for many years prior. Scientists can argue. The facts stand as silent witnesses.
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We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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09/22/13 04:37 AM
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Here is another good article on the topic. http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/09/1...-in-antarctica/Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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09/25/13 02:54 PM
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It is a fact that in mountain ranges of western Canada the glaciers are retreating and some fear many will disappear. I remember what they looked like 50 years ago compared to what they look like today, and the difference is very apparent.
These glaciers (especially the Columbia ice field) are the main source of fresh water rivers for a lot of America, so this isn't something to be unconcerned about.
When a glacier melts more snow and ice than it receives, it begins to recede. These glaciers are receding.
And I don't think any is denying that weather changes. Across much of the U.S. there was drought last year. That has a direct impact on people. If glaciers receded and people are depending upon their water, that will have an impact on them. No one is denying that. But both of those facts do not mean that man has caused them or that it is even different than normal. "Normal" being defined long term and not based upon 30 years. Now glaciers tend to move (coming and going over centuries of time) so is this due to global warming or is this due to some other cyclic phenomena governing glaciers?
And that is the question! But given that glaciers have receded dramatically over much of the land, (it was halfway down the U.S.!), one would have to do much detailed research to determine if this is even a blip on the screen of history.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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09/25/13 03:03 PM
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How about the number of tornadoes in America? Before [9/20/2001], there were 7 tornadoes with 3 fatalities in 2001. After 9/20/01 ... 91 tornadoes struck killing 15 people. And after the week ended on 9/23/01 ... these deadly tornadoes began the very next day and continued monthly for three months: September 24, October 24, and November 23-24. And on 22 April 2011, a mega-tornado hit the St. Louis area.
Interesting. Did you notice nothing listed between 2001 and 2011? So all you listed is some years have different things happening than other years. And not to forget the New Madrid earthquake of 1812.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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09/25/13 03:06 PM
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The above points are almost incontrovertibly being proven to have had a greater impact in the most recent decade than for many years prior. Scientists can argue. The facts stand as silent witnesses.
Does more snow match with less glaciers? Seems like random speculations on your part. Guess another good example of what models failed to predict. But it does prove that even some of the smartest people on Earth might not know just how much they still don’t know.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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10/15/13 12:49 PM
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PIERRE, S.D. (AP) — A record-breaking storm that dumped 4 feet of snow in parts of western South Dakota left ranchers dealing with heavy losses, in some cases perhaps up to half their herds, as they assess how many of their cattle died during the unseasonably early blizzard. http://www.advertiser-tribune.com/page/c...=1&nav=5016
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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10/15/13 02:46 PM
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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10/18/13 11:31 PM
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When the critics have been proven to be so wrong, on so many points, and some are quite simple, why should we listen to them on anything?
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