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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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09/18/13 02:03 AM
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Another of Mrs. White's views on commentaries is presented in the following. The opinions of men in regard to the interpretation of Scripture are many and varied; but the Scriptures are not changed to suit men's ideas. The blessed Book is yea and amen; it remains firm, eternal. The commentaries of men do not all agree, but the great and blessed facts remain the same. God's Word is immutable; "it is written." {2SM 82.4} Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
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In the same section, EGW may be talking to you? You say, "The Bible is my foundation of faith." But is it? I answer, The Bible does not sustain your position. Again you say, "Show me by the Bible that I am wrong, and I will give up my views." But how can you be convinced by the Bible as long as you wrest and misapply its utterances? By so doing you cut off the only source by which God might reach and convict you.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
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In the same section, EGW may be talking to you? You say, "The Bible is my foundation of faith." But is it? I answer, The Bible does not sustain your position. Again you say, "Show me by the Bible that I am wrong, and I will give up my views." But how can you be convinced by the Bible as long as you wrest and misapply its utterances? By so doing you cut off the only source by which God might reach and convict you. Indeed, that speaks to all of us. I choose to listen to my Bible. When the Bible tells me something, I don't try to say otherwise as some here say. Many people here interpret the Bible through their own rose-colored glasses of their own opinions. It is human nature. We all tend to see what we want to see. But we need to allow God to help us see the truth regardless of whether or not it appeals to us. For example, when God says He will do something, who are we to say otherwise? The plea may be made that a loving Father would not see His children suffering the punishment of God by fire while He had the power to relieve them. But God would, for the good of His subjects and for their safety, punish the transgressor. God does not work on the plan of man. He can do infinite justice that man has no right to do before his fellow man. Noah would have displeased God to have drowned one of the scoffers and mockers that harassed him, but God drowned the vast world. Lot would have had no right to inflict punishment on his sons-in-law, but God would do it in strict justice. {LDE 241.2}
Who will say God will not do what He says He will do?--12MR 207-209; 10MR 265 (1876). {LDE 241.3}
Coming Delayed to Allow a Larger Span for Repentance--Who will say God will not do what He says He will do? "Let God be true, but every man a liar" (Romans 3:4). The Lord is coming in flaming fire to take vengeance on those sinners who know not God and obey not His gospel. And because, in His infinite mercy, He delays His coming to give the world a larger span for repentance, sinners flatter themselves [that] He will never come. {10MR 265.2} Do those statements talk to you? I choose to take God at His Word. He says He will punish, then I believe He will. He says He has wrath; then I believe He does. It is not misapplying when Mrs. White confirms these views and asks why we should say otherwise. Yet hundreds, even thousands of posts on this forum exist because many resist these truths and do not accept the Bible. In an interesting turn of events, they have commentaries to support their position and have then accused me of not accepting the supposed "truths" of those commentaries, maligning my motives for starting this very thread. Yet Mrs. White put commentaries in their proper place--she does not elevate, nor promote them. She places them in the same category as that of the ordinary opinions of men. I believe her teaching on this point. Do you? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
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09/18/13 03:22 AM
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Put ALL of EGW quotes together, God punishes, but HOW? When you put them all together, the answer is clear. WHY do you ignore the clear quotes on the topic of God's wrath and punishment? We are not to regard God as waiting to punish the sinner for his sin. The sinner brings the punishment upon himself. His own actions start a train of circumstances that bring the sure result. Every act of transgression reacts upon the sinner, works in him a change of character, and makes it more easy for him to transgress again. By choosing to sin, men separate themselves from God, cut themselves off from the channel of blessing, and the sure result is ruin and death. {1SM 235.2} I was shown that the judgments of God would not come directly out from the Lord upon them, but in this way: They place themselves beyond His protection. He warns, corrects, reproves, and points out the only path of safety; then if those who have been the objects of His special care will follow their own course independent of the Spirit of God, after repeated warnings, if they choose their own way, then He does not commission His angels to prevent Satan's decided attacks upon them. It is Satan's power that is at work at sea and on land, bringing calamity and distress, and sweeping off multitudes to make sure of his prey. And storm and tempest both by sea and land will be, for Satan has come down in great wrath. He is at work. He knows his time is short and, if he is not restrained, we shall see more terrible manifestations of his power than we have ever dreamed of. {14MR 3.1} And this one!!! We cannot know how much we owe to Christ for the peace and protection which we enjoy. It is the restraining power of God that prevents mankind from passing fully under the control of Satan. The disobedient and unthankful have great reason for gratitude for God's mercy and long-suffering in holding in check the cruel, malignant power of the evil one. But when men pass the limits of divine forbearance, that restraint is removed. God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown. Every ray of light rejected, every warning despised or unheeded, every passion indulged, every transgression of the law of God, is a seed sown which yields its unfailing harvest. The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, is at last withdrawn from the sinner, and then there is left no power to control the evil passions of the soul, and no protection from the malice and enmity of Satan. The destruction of Jerusalem is a fearful and solemn warning to all who are trifling with the offers of divine grace and resisting the pleadings of divine mercy. Never was there given a more decisive testimony to God's hatred of sin and to the certain punishment that will fall upon the guilty. {GC 36.1} God's methods are clear. The punishment is caused by sin, not God, sustaining what the Bible says of God's wrath in Romans 1 and many other places.
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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
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APL, Let us take the rest of this discussion back to your favorite threads. Here, let us continue the discussion on commentaries. Again, I agree with Ellen White. Her statements above are true and well stated. It is you who ignore the statements that do not favor your opinion. Whereas I am able, from the Bible and Mrs. White, to offer explanation for the statements you bring, you are not able to explain the ones that I have provided. You have reverted to commentaries that appear to support your position, but you have used uninspired commentary. I have consistently based my views here upon the more sure words of prophecy. In them, there is truth abundant such that none need err. Again, lets get...  Thank you, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
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09/18/13 03:47 AM
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Such is the commentary of men...
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
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09/18/13 01:19 PM
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APL,
You misrepresent my view. I will never reject Mrs. White's commentaries. You have no proof that I objected to such commentary of which I am aware.
I do, however, reject some people's application of her writings. They must be used in proper context and in proper balance. That could be from the School of Elle.
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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
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09/19/13 01:53 AM
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APL,
You misrepresent my view. I will never reject Mrs. White's commentaries. You have no proof that I objected to such commentary of which I am aware.
I do, however, reject some people's application of her writings. They must be used in proper context and in proper balance. That could be from the School of Elle. kland, I hope you are right. I would love for Elle to accept all of Mrs. White's writings. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
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09/19/13 02:26 AM
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You misrepresent my view. I will never reject Mrs. White's commentaries. You have! I presented 3 quotes above which you do not believe. If I quoted "God destroys no man", you will say God destroys. When God's wrath is stated to be His letting go, giving up, you reject that. It is stunning sometimes you reject the most plain and clear statements.
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Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them?
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09/19/13 08:46 AM
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You misrepresent my view. I will never reject Mrs. White's commentaries. You have! I presented 3 quotes above which you do not believe. If I quoted "God destroys no man", you will say God destroys. When God's wrath is stated to be His letting go, giving up, you reject that. It is stunning sometimes you reject the most plain and clear statements. And how is it possible to discuss the use of commentaries in this context?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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