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Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? #156268
09/17/13 01:18 PM
09/17/13 01:18 PM
Green Cochoa  Offline OP
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There has been some discussion on this forum in the past about the proper use of Bible commentaries. A few recent posts have highlighted differences of opinion on this question. This topic is begun to examine this question more deeply.

As Adventists consider Mrs. White to have had special light from Heaven on many Bible truths and on issues related to our day, her comments about Bible commentaries seem especially relevant. To start this discussion, I will quote one such comment.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
The apostle says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." [2 Timothy 3:16, 17.] The Bible is its own expositor. One passage will prove to be a key that will unlock other passages, and in this way light will be shed upon the hidden meaning of the word. By comparing different texts treating on the same subject, viewing their bearing on every side, the true meaning of the Scriptures will be made evident. {CE 85.1}

Many think that they must consult commentaries on the Scriptures in order to understand the meaning of the word of God, and we would not take the position that commentaries should not be studied; but it will take much discernment to discover the truth of God under the mass of the words of men. How little has been done by the church as a body professing to believe the Bible, to gather up the scattered jewels of God's word into one perfect chain of truth? The jewels of truth do not lie upon the surface, as many suppose. The master mind in the confederacy of evil is ever at work to keep the truth out of sight, and to bring into full view the opinions of great men. The enemy is doing all in his power to obscure heaven's light through educational processes; for he does not mean that men shall hear the voice of the Lord, saying, "This is the way, walk ye in it." [Isaiah 30:21.] {CE 85.2}


Ultimately, our goal is to understand the Bible more, and to understand it correctly.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? [Re: Green Cochoa] #156270
09/17/13 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
There has been some discussion on this forum in the past about the proper use of Bible commentaries. A few recent posts have highlighted differences of opinion on this question. This topic is begun to examine this question more deeply.

As Adventists consider Mrs. White to have had special light from Heaven on many Bible truths and on issues related to our day, her comments about Bible commentaries seem especially relevant. To start this discussion, I will quote one such comment.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
The apostle says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." [2 Timothy 3:16, 17.] The Bible is its own expositor. One passage will prove to be a key that will unlock other passages, and in this way light will be shed upon the hidden meaning of the word. By comparing different texts treating on the same subject, viewing their bearing on every side, the true meaning of the Scriptures will be made evident. {CE 85.1}

Many think that they must consult commentaries on the Scriptures in order to understand the meaning of the word of God, and we would not take the position that commentaries should not be studied; but it will take much discernment to discover the truth of God under the mass of the words of men. How little has been done by the church as a body professing to believe the Bible, to gather up the scattered jewels of God's word into one perfect chain of truth? The jewels of truth do not lie upon the surface, as many suppose. The master mind in the confederacy of evil is ever at work to keep the truth out of sight, and to bring into full view the opinions of great men. The enemy is doing all in his power to obscure heaven's light through educational processes; for he does not mean that men shall hear the voice of the Lord, saying, "This is the way, walk ye in it." [Isaiah 30:21.] {CE 85.2}


Ultimately, our goal is to understand the Bible more, and to understand it correctly.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


Why does Ellen White then quote Adam Clarke in her Great Controversy?

Did you notice that she does not claim that commentaries should not be studied?

Would you ever post this if the commentator had supported one of your own precious pet peeves?

Last edited by Johann; 09/17/13 01:29 PM.

"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? [Re: Johann] #156271
09/17/13 01:32 PM
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Consider that Mrs. White spoke very highly of William Miller and of his study methods. Here she highlights the fact that he "dispensed with" Bible commentaries.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
Endeavoring to lay aside all preconceived opinions, and dispensing with commentaries, he compared scripture with scripture by the aid of the marginal references and the concordance. He pursued his study in a regular and methodical manner; beginning with Genesis, and reading verse by verse, he proceeded no faster than the meaning of the several passages so unfolded as to leave him free from all embarrassment. When he found anything obscure, it was his custom to compare it with every other text which seemed to have any reference to the matter under consideration. Every word was permitted to have its proper bearing upon the subject of the text, and if his view of it harmonized with every collateral passage, it ceased to be a difficulty. Thus whenever he met with a passage hard to be understood, he found an explanation in some other portion of the Scriptures. As he studied with earnest prayer for divine enlightenment, that which had before appeared dark to his understanding was made clear. He experienced the truth of the psalmist's words, “The entrance of Thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.” [Psalm 119:130.] {GC88 320.1}

With intense interest he studied the book of Daniel and the Revelation, employing the same principles of interpretation as in the other scriptures, and found, to his great joy, that the prophetic symbols could be understood. He saw that the prophecies, so far as they had been fulfilled, had been fulfilled literally; that all the various figures, metaphors, parables, similitudes, etc., were either explained in their immediate connection, or the terms in which they were expressed were defined in other scriptures; and when thus explained were to be literally understood. “Thus I was satisfied,” he says, “that the Bible was a system of revealed truth so clearly and simply given that the wayfaring man, though a fool, need not err therein.” Link after link of the chain of truth rewarded his efforts, as step by step he traced down the great lines of prophecy. Angels of Heaven were guiding his mind and opening the Scriptures to his understanding. {GC88 320.2}


Angels guided his mind. smile

I would far rather have a holy angel guiding me than a man of any name.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? [Re: Johann] #156272
09/17/13 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: Johann
Why does Ellen White then quote Adam Clarke in her Great Controversy?

Did you notice that she does not claim that commentaries should not be studied?

Would you ever post this if the commentator had supported one of your own precious pet peeves?


Why does Ellen White quote anyone? She quotes Josephus, the Bible, D'Aubigne, her husband, and such a multitude of others as would challenge anyone to name them all.

Yes, I did notice that she does not say commentaries should not be studied. She does imply, however, that it will take more discernment to understand truth from the commentary than if one would use the Bible to interpret itself.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? [Re: Green Cochoa] #156273
09/17/13 01:39 PM
09/17/13 01:39 PM
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About my own "precious pet peeves," Johann, I have none so precious that I would not be willing to give it up in light of Bible truth that countered it. Nor do I especially regard any Bible commentary.

You may not have noticed this, but I more often quote commentaries here to show their errors than anything else. When have you seen me use commentaries in support of any of my beliefs? I do not mean to suggest it would be inappropriate, I only mean to suggest that I do not find commentaries to be sufficiently reliable that I would want to promote their use in this manner.

I do use Mrs. White's inspired commentaries on Bible topics; freely. I also use concordances and Bible lexicons and dictionaries. So did Miller.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? [Re: Green Cochoa] #156274
09/17/13 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Angels guided his mind. smile

I would far rather have a holy angel guiding me than a man of any name.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


Very true, and yet the way and circumstances around your launching of this thread reminds me of a devoted church member I knew quite well. At one time I heard her earnestly plead with the Lord, something like this:

- Lord please make the wrong thing I did right, so I will not have to suffer for it!


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? [Re: Green Cochoa] #156276
09/17/13 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa


Why does Ellen White quote anyone? She quotes Josephus, the Bible, D'Aubigne, her husband, and such a multitude of others as would challenge anyone to name them all.

Yes, I did notice that she does not say commentaries should not be studied. She does imply, however, that it will take more discernment to understand truth from the commentary than if one would use the Bible to interpret itself.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


So what is you darling pet peeve? Why create problems just to have something to solve?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? [Re: Johann] #156277
09/17/13 02:39 PM
09/17/13 02:39 PM
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Johann,

Please stay on topic. Your criticisms are unfair and inappropriate. Just because I have chosen to start a separate thread on this topic so that the KJV thread is not carried off-topic does not liberate you to push this thread off-topic as well with a side discussion. This is the last I will address your off-topic comments here, unless I must do so as a moderator.

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Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? [Re: Green Cochoa] #156293
09/17/13 08:59 PM
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It is interesting that this topic comes up when green was presented with a quotation of the SDABC, a commentary that did not exist in EGW's time, and in that quote used her writings to sustain the statement given, to which green objected.

From EGW's quote above, commentaries are not banded. It is true, the jewels of scripture are not on the surface. "The jewels of truth do not lie upon the surface, as many suppose." What is on the surface? Example, God killed Saul. That is on the surface. But what is the real jewel? Some people are more likely to ban digging rather than commentaries.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Bible Commentaries: Should We Use Them? [Re: APL] #156299
09/18/13 02:35 AM
09/18/13 02:35 AM
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APL,

You misrepresent my view. I will never reject Mrs. White's commentaries. You have no proof that I objected to such commentary of which I am aware.

I do, however, reject some people's application of her writings. They must be used in proper context and in proper balance. For example, she says the following about one apparent contradiction in the Scriptures:

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
How, then, can the gospel be called a message of peace? When Isaiah foretold the birth of the Messiah, he ascribed to Him the title, "Prince of Peace." When angels announced to the shepherds that Christ was born, they sang above the plains of Bethlehem: "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." Luke 2:14. There is a seeming contradiction between these prophetic declarations and the words of Christ: "I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34. But, rightly understood, the two are in perfect harmony. The gospel is a message of peace. Christianity is a system which, received and obeyed, would spread peace, harmony, and happiness throughout the earth. The religion of Christ will unite in close brotherhood all who accept its teachings. It was the mission of Jesus to reconcile men to God, and thus to one another. But the world at large are under the control of Satan, Christ's bitterest foe. The gospel presents to them principles of life which are wholly at variance with their habits and desires, and they rise in rebellion against it. They hate the purity which reveals and condemns their sins, and they persecute and destroy those who would urge upon them its just and holy claims. It is in this sense--because the exalted truths it brings occasion hatred and strife--that the gospel is called a sword. {GC 46.3}


If the truth is being presented here, peace may be hard to find. But peace will be the ultimate result when all people everywhere have accepted Christ.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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