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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/21/05 04:11 PM
09/21/05 04:11 PM
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What then are lukewarm professed non-SDA Christians called?
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/21/05 05:08 PM
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The letters of the churches are given to different historical ages. The Laodecian message involves all the churches. It describes a condition of self-satisfaction and feeling complacent. Anyone who has been a member of a non-SDA church knows that these problems exist just as much in these others churches as in ours. However, the Laodecian message does apply especially to the SDA church. Why is that? Because it is the SDA church which was given the message which is to prepare the earth for the coming of Christ, a message we claim to have ("We are rich") but have not understood nor proclaimed. quote:
An unwillingness to yield up preconceived opinions, and to accept this truth, lay at the foundation of a large share of the opposition manifested at Minneapolis against the Lord's message through Brethren {E.J.} Waggoner and {A.T.} Jones. By exciting that opposition Satan succeeded in shutting away from our people, in a great measure, the special power of the Holy Spirit that God longed to impart to them. The enemy prevented them from obtaining that efficiency which might have been theirs in carrying the truth to the world, as the apostles proclaimed it after the day of Pentecost. The light that is to lighten the whole earth with its glory was resisted, and by the action of our own brethren has been in a great degree kept away from the world. (1SM 234, 235)
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/21/05 07:14 PM
09/21/05 07:14 PM
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Could any of you make a biblical foundation for the claim that only SDA can be laodicean? Personal oppinion doesnt cut it in these issues...
/Thomas
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/21/05 09:10 PM
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I think Tom just did Thomas. He stated that the churches mentioned in Revelation cover all of them throughout history.
God Bless,
Will
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/21/05 09:14 PM
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Just to clarify, I didn't argue that the Laodecian was only SDA, but rather that it applies to the SDA church especially.
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/22/05 05:09 AM
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Will
I dont think Tom proved it from the bible, at best what you point at would be proving it from the talk about what the bible says...
Tom
Even that claim would be nice to have expanded with the biblical foundation. But for the same statement in absolutes we have mikes last post in this thread so my question still stands.
/Thomas
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/22/05 09:27 AM
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Could the profession of being rich and increased with goods also be applied to our profession of being the remnant church and holding the truth?
And yes, we are in possession of much truth, but what are we doing with it? What am I and what is my brother who sits next to me every Sabbath, doing with the WEALTH of knowledge, wisdom and revelation that God has blessed us with?
Rev 3:14 "To the messenger of the church in Laodicea, write: 'The Amen, the witness who is faithful and true, the beginning of God's creation, says this:
Rev 3:15 'I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 You say, "I am rich. I have become wealthy. I don't need anything." Yet you don't realize that you are miserable, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked.
Rev 3:18 Therefore, I advise you to buy from me gold purified in fire so that you may be rich, white clothes to wear so that you may keep the shame of your nakedness from showing, and ointment to put on your eyes so that you may see.
--Ren
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/22/05 10:23 AM
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I see the same danger mentioned previously. If one does not recognize oneself as belonging to the group described by the Laodecian, one cuts oneself off from the very message God gave to correct the problem.
No way! Someone who truly accepts the third angel’s message of righteousness by faith cannot be a laodicean, for a laodicean is someone who feels no need of Christ’s righteousness.
“Many are Laodiceans, living in a spiritual self-deception. They clothe themselves in the garments of their own righteousness, imagining themselves to be rich and increased with goods and in need of nothing, when they need daily to learn of Jesus, His meekness and lowliness. What is it that constitutes the wretchedness, the nakedness, of those who feel rich and increased with goods? It is the want of the righteousness of Christ. In their own righteousness they are represented as clothed with filthy rags, and yet in this condition they flatter themselves that they are clothed upon with Christ's righteousness. ... Christ looks mournfully upon His professed people who feel rich and increased in the knowledge of the truth, and who are yet destitute of the truth in life and character.” {OHC 349.4}
The problem of the laodiceans is their spiritual pride. But if someone each day recognizes that of himself he is poor, blind and naked, and feels the need for Christ’s righteousness to cover him, if each day he feels the need for Christ to be in his heart and opens the door to let Him in, he is not and cannot be a laodicean.
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/22/05 12:19 PM
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Look at what happened to the Israel of Christ's day on planet Earth in relation to their own spiritual pride.
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/22/05 01:17 PM
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If you look at the history of 1888 you will see that there were many in the church in positions of authority, who rejected that message, which was identified as the message of God to the Laodecian church (1SM 234, 235). Ellen White did not identify those who rejected the message as being unsaved (although she did warn of the possibility of their rejection continued).
The very giver of the message idenfied himself as a Laodecian!
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