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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/24/05 06:55 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mountain Man:
The Laodicea condition is unique to the SDA Church. It does not apply to Christians in general. This point has been dismissed, by some, on this thread. Discrediting this insight can only lead to unscriptural conclusions regarding Laodicean church members.
With the risk of going off topic again, I would just like to point out that to ask for evidence is not the same as to dismiss or discredit.
/Thomas
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/24/05 07:18 PM
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If one actually looks at the contents of the Laodicean message, it's clear that it applies to all Christians, not just SDA's. The message says:
1)You think you are rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing. (Do only SDA's think this?)
2)You are poor, wretched, miserable, blind and naked (Is this only true of SDA's?)
3)You make me sick to my stomach.(Do only SDA's make Christ feel nauseous?)
4)I counsel you to buy of me gold, white raiment and eye salve. (Do only SDA's need the righteousness of Christ, faith in Him, and spiritual accuity?)
Are only SDA's lukewarm?
Every aspect of the Laodicean message applies to all Christians in our time. None of these things are exclusively Adventist. However, they are all especially Advenitst. We are the ones who *most* make Christ feel like throwing up. We are the ones who are *most* wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked. We are the ones who *most* need spiritual perception, to see our most wretched condition, and need to lay hold of the remedy provided.
It most applies to us simply because we have the most light.
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/24/05 07:30 PM
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The last shall be the first and the first shall be the last, was Jesus words. If we are being right in the thought that SDAs are first among contemporary christians...
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/24/05 10:40 PM
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Thomas, good points (last two posts). Tom, I am reposting one of the quotes from above. It clearly implies that the Laodicean prophecy applies only to the SDA church. quote:
The Laodicean message is applicable to the church at this time. Do you believe this message? Have you hearts that feel? Or are you constantly saying, We are rich and increased in goods, and have need of nothing? Is it in vain that the declaration of eternal truth has been given to this nation to be carried to all the nations of the world? God has chosen a people and made them the repositories of truth weighty with eternal results. To them has been given the light that must illuminate the world. Has God made a mistake? Are we indeed His chosen instrumentalities? Are we the men and women who are to bear to the world the messages of Revelation fourteen, to proclaim the message of salvation to those who are standing on the brink of ruin? Do we act as if we were? {1SM 92.1}
Please take this quote point by point and show how it includes Catholic and Protestant Christians outside the Remnant Church (i.e., the SDA Church). Thank you.
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/25/05 04:32 AM
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I've been saying all along the Laodicean message applies especially to us. We are the ones that make Christ most feel like regurgitating. However, we aren't the only ones.
My previous point demonstrates the message is not unique to SDA's. If you read the actual message from Christ, you can see that it's not.
Why in the world should I apply some comment from the Spirit of Prophesy point by point to establish the Laodicean message applies to other churces other than ours? She didn't give the message; Christ did! I went right to the source, and showed how, point by point, the message applies to non-SDA churches.
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/25/05 12:08 PM
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The Laodicean message is applied to our time and, specifically, to the special people of God at this time, but this message is the message of righteousness by faith and, as such, it is the message the world needs to hear:
"The Laodicean message has been sounding. Take this message in all its phases and sound it forth to the people wherever Providence opens the way. Justification by faith and the righteousness of Christ are the themes to be presented to a perishing world" (Letter 24, 1892). {7BC 964.3}
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/25/05 12:39 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom Ewall:
I've been saying all along the Laodicean message applies especially to us. We are the ones that make Christ most feel like regurgitating. However, we aren't the only ones.
My previous point demonstrates the message is not unique to SDA's. If you read the actual message from Christ, you can see that it's not.
With that in mind, could the messages to the 10 virgins be the same as the Laodicean message?
Just a thought...
--Ren
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/26/05 02:41 AM
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Mike
The quote you posted in your last message does say that it applies to SDA. However contrary to what you state, it does not exclude other christians, it doesnt deal with other christians at all.
Also, I havent been able to find the original source for the passage, only 2 compilations. Do you know where the original context Ellen wrote it in can be found?
/Thomas
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/25/05 05:26 PM
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quote:
The Laodicean message is applied to our time and, specifically, to the special people of God at this time, but this message is the message of righteousness by faith and, as such, it is the message the world needs to hear:
"The Laodicean message has been sounding. Take this message in all its phases and sound it forth to the people wherever Providence opens the way. Justification by faith and the righteousness of Christ are the themes to be presented to a perishing world" (Letter 24, 1892). {7BC 964.3}
This quotation was written regarding the message presented by Jones and Waggoner. We as a church have never proclaimed this message, yet we claim to have it. There is no better example of Laodicean than this!
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An unwillingness to yield up preconceived opinions, and to accept this truth, lay at the foundation of a large share of the opposition manifested at Minneapolis against the Lord's message through Brethren {E.J.} Waggoner and {A.T.} Jones. By exciting that opposition Satan succeeded in shutting away from our people, in a great measure, the special power of the Holy Spirit that God longed to impart to them. The enemy prevented them from obtaining that efficiency which might have been theirs in carrying the truth to the world, as the apostles proclaimed it after the day of Pentecost. The light that is to lighten the whole earth with its glory was resisted, and by the action of our own brethren has been in a great degree kept away from the world. (1SM 234, 235)
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Re: Is a lukewarm Laodicean in a saved state?
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09/25/05 05:41 PM
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Okay, here’s the quote – point by point:
God has chosen a people and made them the repositories of truth weighty with eternal results. To them has been given the light that must illuminate the world.
This cannot apply to other churches. God raised up the SDA Church and gave them “the light”. He didn’t raise up other churches too.
Has God made a mistake? Are we indeed His chosen instrumentalities?
No. God did not make a mistake when He raised up the SDA Church. We are still His chosen people and nation (church). See 1 Peter 2:9.
Are we the men and women who are to bear to the world the messages of Revelation fourteen, to proclaim the message of salvation to those who are standing on the brink of ruin?
No other church has been commissioned by God to preach to the world the 3AMs.
Do we act as if we were?
Not always. But the Shaking will get rid of the unconverted time servers. The remnant that remains will finish the work of the 3AMs.
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