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Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: Green Cochoa] #156504
09/23/13 03:57 PM
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If Jesus died the second death He should still be dead. There is no resurrection from the second death.

Also, physically there is no difference between the first and second deaths. In both cases the breath of life returns to God and the body returns to dust. One is temporary, the other is permanent.

Spiritually, though, there is a world of difference between the two deaths. In the first death people merely die. A resurrection is certain to follow. In the second death they endure judgment, punishment, and eternal death. They die with their sins forever.

Jesus on the other hand tasted, consumed, and conquered the judgment and punishment of the sins of the world. He lived to declare, "It is finished." He was alive when He accomplished what He came to do. He finished His work before He died.

Christ did not yield up His life till He had accomplished the work which He came to do, and with His parting breath He exclaimed, "It is finished." John 19:30. The battle had been won. His right hand and His holy arm had gotten Him the victory. As a Conqueror He planted His banner on the eternal heights. Was there not joy among the angels? All heaven triumphed in the Saviour's victory. Satan was defeated, and knew that his kingdom was lost. {DA 758.1}

Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: Mountain Man] #156505
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His divine nature did not die, because that is impossible. God cannot die. It was His human nature that died.

But it is His divinity that saves us. I do not understand how this works, but I know it does, and that is what I need.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: Johann] #156507
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Originally Posted By: mm
If Jesus died the second death He should still be dead. There is no resurrection from the second death.
There is one difference with Christ - He NEVER participated in our sin, though He literally took our sin upon Himself. This is why the Father raised Him. This is not true for sinners who reject Christ.

Christ did finish the work He was given to do. What was that??? The battle was won! But the war is NOT over.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: APL] #156511
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The fact Jesus never sinned is not germane. He not only took our sins, He also became sin for us. "He hath made him to be sin for us".

"The battle was won! But the war is NOT over." Amen. The war will end when the 144,000 demonstrate unswerving faithfulness during the great time of trouble.

Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: Mountain Man] #156512
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Originally Posted By: mm
The fact Jesus never sinned is not germane. He not only took our sins, He also became sin for us. "He hath made him to be sin for us".
It is not germane to YOU.


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Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: APL] #156526
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Jesus suffered just the same. It didn't matter that He never sinned. It didn't lessen His suffering. Nor did it entitle Him to treatment not available to sinners suffering the second death. In other words, He wasn't raised from second death because He never sinned. He rose from the grave because He died the first death.

Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: Mountain Man] #156527
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So Jesus suffered the same death we all will suffer. He tasted the same death we will taste. He paid the same price of sin that we will pay in the first death.

I do not agree.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: APL] #156528
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Originally Posted By: APL
So Jesus suffered the same death we all will suffer. He tasted the same death we will taste. He paid the same price of sin that we will pay in the first death.

I do not agree.
Nor do I. Nor would Mrs. White or the Bible.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
While life is the inheritance of the righteous, death is the portion of the wicked. Moses declared to Israel, "I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil." Deuteronomy 30:15. The death referred to in these scriptures is not that pronounced upon Adam, for all mankind suffer the penalty of his transgression. It is the "second death" that is placed in contrast with everlasting life.


The "death" that the Bible declares as wages for sin is always that of the second death. If we sin, we are to die eternally. The first death is just temporary. It's not the real death. Only after full justice is done, and the second death is received, is the penalty "paid." But Jesus paid our penalty.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: Green Cochoa] #156530
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Originally Posted By: EGW
Death is the wages of sin, and the law cannot be changed in the least to make a way of escape for its transgressor. The anguish of Christ on Calvary's cross speaks louder than any argument that can be presented, to prove the immutability of the law. But Jesus bore the penalty of the law, and tasted death for every man. But the tomb could not hold him. {RH, July 19, 1892 par. 1}
Originally Posted By: EGW
"The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." [Romans 6:23.] While life is the inheritance of the righteous, death is the portion of the wicked. The penalty threatened is not merely temporal death, for all must suffer this. It is the second death, the opposite of everlasting life. {4SP 364.2}

1) Jesus suffered the penalty of the law, the wages of sin - death
2) The wages of sin is not the first death, it is the second death.
conclusion - Jesus suffered the second death, the wages of sin. And we should note HOW He died?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Did Christ Die the Second Death? [Re: APL] #156537
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Okay. Thanx for the study.

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