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Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Romans 8:9 So you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if it be that the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
8:11 If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.

Yes dedication - we are BORN carnal. Where does that come from?

It is obviously passed down from generation to generation going all the way back to Adam and Eve.
But how?
I do not think Adam and Eve's DNA was suddenly changed, but something in their neurological makeup changed that affected their offspring -- possibly greater in Cain than in Abel.

For example:
Studies show that a level of depression in mothers during pregnancy was associated with higher levels of stress hormones in their children at birth, as well as with other neurological and behavioral differences.

The feelings and attitudes of both the mother and father are major factors in the baby's development. The relationship between parental attitudes and the infant begin at conception because the baby in the uterus directly shares the mother's emotions.

Of course, over time sinful, unhealthful habits also changed the DNA.

YES - there is epigenetic changes that are passed down. But epigenetics is reversible! It may be difficult, but it is not a permanent change. IF it is passed down from generation to generation, then it is in the genetics, be it in the DNA base pairs or in the epigenome. It is genetic! And what ever has changed, MAN can NOT change it back. Only the plan of redemption can.

You don't believe Adam and Eve's DNA suddenly changed, and you base that on what, a gut feeling? Have you read Genesis 3 lately? Read Genesis 3:14-18. It's speaking genome!

The Science of Sin and Salvation!

Are believers sinning and righteous simultaneously?

Do they sin while abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature?

Please provide examples. Thank you.

There is a difference in a sudden DNA change and a progressive DNA change.
A sudden DNA change would require God to recreate Adam and Eve into carnal beings by changing the genetic codes in their bodies.

A progressive DNA change, on the other hand, results over generations of sinful living. A mind created to be pure and holy becomes filled with doubts, depression, anger, fear, rebellion etc and this affects the actions, habits and life style of the person which in turn affects the systems of the body.

The "sudden" change was in the mind. A whole different way of thinking burst upon them when they sinned, creating a multitude of new, but not good, thought patterns in their minds.

God doesn't change our genetic code at conversion, he changes our minds-- our thought patterns.
We don't receive new bodies until the second coming when this corruptible shall put on incorruption -- that's when we will have new DNA.

Our change now is a change in our thinking, -- it relies on focusing on Jesus and filling our minds with His truths -- it involves our minds, our focus, not our physical make-up.

We are totally dependant upon Christ in our walk on paths of righteousness. Our DNA doesn't get changed, it's sinful clamours must be over-ridden by the presence of Christ in our lives.

dedication - what kind of body did Christ have? A perfect body or a "sinful" body?

As for "A sudden DNA change would require God to recreate Adam and Eve into carnal beings by changing the genetic codes in their bodies", that would mean that God is the author of sin and He is not.

Let me ask a question, is a viral infection a "sudden DNA change"? Or is it a "progressive DNA change"? It is not the latter. Another question, can you give ANY example where a virus is a good thing?

Dedication, thank you for sharing. Excellent thoughts. Another thing that changed radically when A&E sinned is evil angels are no longer confined to the Forbidden Tree. They are free to tempt and annoy - within the limits Jesus enforces (1 Cor 10:13). Sinful flesh nature continues to tempt us from within to be unlike Jesus. But, praise the Lord, by abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature we are free to imitate Jesus' sinless example.

Do believers sin and not sin simultaneously? Are they righteous and unrighteous at the same time? Can they mature in the fruits of the Spirit and cultivate sinful traits of character in the same instant?