Sin causes disease and death through crime, through viruses and bacteria, through wrong nutrition, through the use of alcohol or drugs, etc.
It causes strife because it resides in the mind - in the way people think.

How does this happen Rosangela? How does sin cause disease and death through viruses? Through bacteria? How does sin cause problems in the mind? NOW? Do you have an answer? Is it a total mystery?

I hear you saying, yes, nature is self-acting.

And I hear you say that God is responsible for all things that happen, including rape and murder.

APL,
Viruses and bacteria cause disease, and disease kills. Or do you think that there is some relationship between viruses and bacteria and our DNA?
As to the mind, some wrong thought patterns are transmitted from parents to children (we don't know precisely how), and some are acquired after we are born. EGW says sin reaches from mind to mind. And by the way, in that same passage she says, not that Satan altered Adam's DNA, but that "through the medium of influence, taking advantage of the action of mind on mind, he prevailed on Adam to sin" (RH, April 16, 1901).

Do you agree, that sin is the cause of all sickness, disease and death? You do agree that viruses and bacteria cause disease and death. What does this tell you?

Viruses are very cleaver mechanisms to hijack genetic systems. They are the ultimate in selfishness. ALL sin is selfishness.

EGW says that our sinful tendancies are inherited and cultivated. If they are inherited, then it has to be in the DNA. And we know a lot more of HOW they are transmited today, via both genetic and epigenetic mechanisms. Epigenetic happening in the very next generation!

Yes, there was mind on mind, but what this the sin? No, it was what lead to Adam's sin. Mind on mind, lead to Adam's fall.

"To a large degree Satan has succeeded in the execution of his plans. Through the medium of influence, taking advantage of the action of mind on mind, he prevailed on Adam to sin. Thus at its very source human nature was corrupted. And ever since then sin has continued its hateful work, reaching from mind to mind. Every sin committed awakens the echoes of the original sin." {RH, April 16, 1901 par. 5}

Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge, which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. In the parable of the sower the question was asked the master, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?" The master answered, "An enemy hath done this." [Matthew 13:27, 28.] All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares. {16MR 247.2}

Sin is real, and it is physical. It is not mystical and immaterial.

Now that's an interesting thought regarding those who think "amalgamation" means man with beast instead of man and beast. What about amalgamated tares?!

Yes, Jesus is in control. He doesn't make rape and murder happen; but circumstances force Him to allow it to happen. Evil angels are not free to do as they please. Jesus establishes and enforces limits.

Then why is it so hard to see that Satan is the active agent with the storms, calamities, etc. ??? It is sin that causes rape and murders, not God. And WHY does God "permit" rape and murder? God is NOT the cause of death and destruction. The Story of Job is given to show this. Quote:"God had given a lesson designed to prevent this. The history of Job had shown that suffering is inflicted by Satan, and is overruled by God for purposes of mercy. But Israel did not understand the lesson. The same error for which God had reproved the friends of Job was repeated by the Jews in their rejection of Christ. {DA 471.3} "

APL,

I agree with Mike on this. He is correct. The final "limit" to God's mercy will end in the destruction of the wicked--after they are punished for the sins they have committed.



Do you accept the truths that Mrs. White puts forward in that statement, APL? Specifically, do accept these truths?

1) The penalty of transgression must be suffered/received by the wicked.
2) The wages to each sinner are not equal, but proportionate to his/her sin.
3) It is impossible for God, being merciful and just, to save sinners in their sins.
4) God deprives the wicked of their lives.
5) The sinners were not worthy to live.

Do you believe all of these things?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.