"The curse" is what sin brings. If I declare the results of your action, it does not mean I caused the results. Steps to Christ: "It is written that God cursed the ground for man's sake. Genesis 3:17. The thorn and the thistle--the difficulties and trials that make his life one of toil and care..." Did God create the thorns or thistles? NO. EGW:"Although the earth was blighted with the curse,..." Did God create a blighted earth? NO.

It is funny you call evil good. It is not surprising you only quote part of what I posted. Such as {DA 471.3}. ALL suffering is inflicted by Satan, overruled by God. How is God involved in the curse? Only as a limiting factor, Genesis 3:15, not the originating factor.

It is you that I can't believe. You take all the attributes of Satan and attribute them to God. God is the one that causes pain and suffering. God is the one that kills and destroys sinners. You say God created the thorns and the thistles. You misread the wrath of God, you misread the curse of God. QUOTE EGW: "Though the curse of sin has caused the earth to bring forth thorns and thistles, there are flowers upon the thistles, and the thorns are hidden by roses." {CE 67.1} What caused the thorns and Thistles? SIN! Yes, it is hard for you to accept the truth here. It is also hard to accept the truth that man was never to be over woman in the beginning, but SIN has caused a rift in that relationship too. The plan of redemption is designed to fix ALL what went wrong.

You are in good company. MOST believe that God is a tyrant.

I don't believe I'm calling evil good. I believe you are calling good evil. God is good, not evil. Anything proceeding from His mouth, therefore, must be good, and only good. He uttered the "curses." Those curses were "good." Mrs. White expressly tells us so. God cursed the ground for man's sake. Would Satan have done anything for our sake?

Satan does inflict suffering. But Mrs. White's context must be consulted, for you do not use her writings in their proper balance. Can God not cause suffering?



Mrs. White quotes the angel even in the above statement regarding how the wicked will suffer.

Do you believe the wicked will suffer?
If so, do you believe that Satan causes their suffering?
If so, HOW does Satan cause it?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The ground was cursed, it brought forth thorns and thistles. WHO caused these to form? God or Satan? Answer: SATAN. Do you still say it was God?

God's wrath is when He withdraws, lets go, give up sinners. Read Romans 1. Do the wicked suffer? Oh yes! Did Satan cause their suffering? Did I not quote EGW? Do you doubt her writings? What I quote Desire of Ages a third time in this recent thread? Is it so hard to understand??? "The history of Job had shown that suffering is inflicted by Satan, and is overruled by God for purposes of mercy." HOW does Satan cause this? SIN!!!! Satan is the author of Sin. Once sin is released, it does it destruction. When God's wrath comes, His letting go, giving up, handing over, sin will go to completion, and it is death. That is the natural consequences of sin.
THIS GREEN - is EXACTLY what you are doing. You are charging that God is the cause of suffering and death. This is not so! EVER!

APL,

You are wrong. I do not believe it is a "woe" to need to work. I am not charging any "woe" upon God. I feel blessed by those curses. Have you heard me complaining about them or faulting God for them? To credit God with having given the curses to us is a far cry from me charging Him with injustice in doing so. I believe God is perfectly just.

You haven't answered my questions, however. Can it be that you have no answer?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I should clarify that. You attempted to answer my questions, but your "answer" is unable to satisfy my logical mind.

Sin is transgression of the law. How does "transgression of the law" get "released" to work mayhem? If "transgression of the law" causes suffering, why are so many in this world today finding pleasure in it?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

You make my point again!!! You are now saying that sin does not cause suffering. It must be God that causes suffering. Amazing!

Non-answers do answer unasked questions.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The fact that sin is the cause of all sickness, disease and death doesn't mean at all that sin is something physical. If you slip on a rug, and fall, and break a head bone; if a rock falls on you and you die; or if you die in a shipwreck, or a plane crash, or an accidental fire, what does this have to do with DNA?

Your examples are from a post-fall world. What capabilities did Adam have before the fall? We do know his "robe of light" disappeared. We know that there was no death before sin. Does that mean there was no slipping on rocks or rugs, no rock falls, no shipwrecks? It is hard to imagine a world without death, right?

APL,
There was no death before sin because of the tree of life. Not partaking of the tree of life would bring death, sin or no sin. Death is a consequence of sin simply because it was the factor that prevented man from continuing to partake of the tree of life. Death is caused by several factors and it has nothing to do with sin as something physical. Love is not merely physical, and sin isn't either. A character of love would have been bequeathed to Adam's posterity if he had not sinned, in the same way that he bequeathed them a sinful character after his sin.