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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Mountain Man] #157227
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Sin is so unsustainable, that God must kill the sinner in the end! Right...


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: asygo] #157228
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Originally Posted By: asygo
As my 10 year old niece lay dying of Leukemia, she asked my father why she was suffering so much pain. What would you say?

Through tons of tears apologize being sick is so painful. Ensure her Jesus knows her pain and is so sorry, so sad. Give her morphine to lessen the pain. Ensure her Jesus helped the doctors to invent morphine to help lessen her pain. If she wonders why Jesus doesn't instantly heal her miraculously help her understand Jesus will explain it when we all get to heaven. His explanation will make perfect sense.

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #157229
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Originally Posted By: APL
Sin is so unsustainable, that God must kill the sinner in the end! Right...

Don't you mean murder?

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Mountain Man] #157230
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Is there a difference?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #157232
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Soldiers in battle are not guilty of murder. Judges are not guilty of murder when a criminal is executed.

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Mountain Man] #157233
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Yes, war is murder. Just because man makes it "legal" does not change God's law. Have you ever read the book, "The Everlasting Covenant" by EJ Waggoner? You should!

Originally Posted By: EGW
War not a Success

Yet one more thing must be remembered in connection with this question of fighting and the possession of the land of Canaan, the promised inheritance, and that is that the children of Israel did not get it after all, with all their fighting. The same promise that was given them, remains for us; "but if Joshua had given them rest, then would He not afterwards have spoken of another day" in which to seek and find it. (Hebrews 4:1,8) [Green will love this quote!]The reason why they did not get it, was their unbelief, and that was why they fought. If they had believed the Lord, they would have allowed Him to clear the land of its totally depraved inhabitants, in the way that He proposed. They in the meantime would not have been idle, but would have performed the work of faith which God set them. {1900 EJW, EVCO 387.2}

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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: APL] #157234
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Did Jesus command Moses to murder?

Numbers
15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
15:36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Did Samuel murder?

1 Samuel
15:32 Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.
15:33 And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.

Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Mountain Man] #157241
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Soldiers in battle are not guilty of murder. Judges are not guilty of murder when a criminal is executed.
Originally Posted By: EJW
It is for the purpose of warning, not of condemning, that we write. We know that there are thousands of sincere Christians who "know not what manner of spirit they are of" when they call for war, to avenge wounded honour or even outrage, and some with whom we have talked have been shocked, on having their attention called to the matter, to find that they were unconsciously being inspired by the spirit of the devil, for it is the spirits of devils, that go about to stir up war. See Revelation 16:14. The man who shouts for and applauds murder is at heart a murderer. In this time when the nations are preparing war, "great plainness of speech" is necessary, in only that some at least may be awakened to their danger, and may for ever break loose from the fierce, murderous, Satanic spirit that is benumbing the senses of the world's millions, and carrying them to everlasting destruction. {May 6, 1897 EJW, PTUK 288.16}
War is murder.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Johann] #157242
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Originally Posted By: Johann
I believe we need to have faith and know God so well that we do not have to expressourselves in any cruel either or which misrepresent God to others.

So how would you express yourself in that situation? You don't like my options. You don't even like your own option - decision. What else do you have? What would you say that would be factual, and yet not cruel in your sight?

BTW, the concept of the Great Controversy teaches that God chooses to let things happen this way because He is unwilling to choose the alternative because it would be worse. And you may be correct that this God is not your God, but that's who we have.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Does God Punish? (Part 2) [Re: Mountain Man] #157243
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Originally Posted By: asygo
As my 10 year old niece lay dying of Leukemia, she asked my father why she was suffering so much pain. What would you say?

Through tons of tears apologize being sick is so painful. Ensure her Jesus knows her pain and is so sorry, so sad. Give her morphine to lessen the pain. Ensure her Jesus helped the doctors to invent morphine to help lessen her pain. If she wonders why Jesus doesn't instantly heal her miraculously help her understand Jesus will explain it when we all get to heaven. His explanation will make perfect sense.

That's pretty much how it went.

We don't know why things happen the way they do, but we trust that God is in control and He knows best.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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