APL,

Are you opposing God's prophet?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

EGW: Some, in abstaining from milk, eggs, and butter, have failed to supply the system with proper nourishment, and as a consequence have become weak and unable to work.

Green turns this into ALL. Is this logical?

EGW: I cannot say to them: "You must not eat eggs, or milk, or cream. You must use no butter in the preparation of food." The gospel must be preached to the poor, but the time has not yet come to prescribe the strictest diet. {CCh 238.2}

Good advice! We can not deprive the poor.

EGW: While warnings have been given regarding the dangers of disease through butter, and the evil of the free use of eggs by small children, yet we should not consider it a violation of principle to use eggs from hens that are well cared for and suitably fed.

When the MAJORITY of people buy eggs, do they know the conditions of the chickens where these eggs were produced? The MAJORITY do not.

EGW: Milk, eggs, and butter should not be classed with flesh meat. In some cases the use of eggs is beneficial.

ALL? No, SOME.

EGW: Those who live in new countries or in poverty-stricken districts where fruits and nuts are scarce, should not be urged to exclude milk and eggs from their dietary. It is true that persons in full flesh and in whom the animal passions are strong need to avoid the use of stimulating foods. Especially in families of children who are given to sensual habits, eggs should not be used.

Very good recommendation!

Green - are you opposing God's prophet?

APL,

When God has told you that you should give up milk and eggs, I will have nothing further to urge upon you. I believe that time will come. That is what Mrs. White says. We are to prepare for that time and educate people in how to cook without milk and eggs ahead of that time. However, we are not to be teaching anyone to dispense with them. God Himself claims the responsibility of telling us when it is the proper time to give them up.

God has not yet told me it is time, and most people I'm acquainted with claim that they "believe" it is time because of a whole list of conditions in the world that make such things, to their view, unhealthful. They do not, however, tell me that God has told them it is now time to dispense with these articles of food. To me, then, they are jumping the gun.

That is my chief concern here. People do not realize the benefit of eggs, and feel that they should give them up now in preparation for a future need to do so.

One of the staunchest vegans I know, who had campaigned against milk and eggs with great debate toward others, including myself, passed away last year quite suddenly and unexpectedly. I've heard it was a heart attack, but I'm not sure exactly what happened. No diet on earth will give us immortality at this time. There is no perfect diet. No matter what we eat, there are some toxins, some imperfections, some deficiencies, and some imbalances in it, even when we obtain foods in the most natural forms possible. This is an imperfect planet.

Eggs provide vitamin B-12, sulfur, a complete protein, vitamin D, multiple other B-vitamins, and healthful oils in addition to enzymes and other properties which we may be ignorant of that are good for our health. Mrs. White wrote under inspiration, and recommended eggs, never once telling anyone that he or she should teach people to give them up.

Most vegans I know, however, are evangelistic with their views. That is what troubles me. They are not following Mrs. White's counsels.

I will not tell anyone to give up eggs. That is God's domain. I will resist others who instruct people to give them up, for that is not their prerogative unless they have been given inspiration from God on the matter. I feel it is my duty to address these errors insofar as I have come in contact with them.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa,

"a complete protein". Green - even vegan diets provide "a complete protein". "never once telling anyone" to give them up. GREEN - Yes she did. There are those she said should NOT have eggs. I'm not going to repeat the quote as it is obviously useless to do so.

Meat - do you believe we should give up meat? You can find quote-bytes of EGW to support many views, one reason it is nice to take her as a whole. Example: EGW:You are to make no prescriptions that flesh meats shall never be used, but you are to educate the mind, and let the light shine in. Let the individual conscience be awakened in regard to self-preservation and self-purity from every perverted appetite

What? No prescription that flesh meats shall never be used? Then consider this quote: EGW: Instruction has been given me that physicians who use flesh meat and prescribe it for their patients, should not be employed in our institutions, because they fail decidedly in educating the patients to discard that which makes them sick. The physician who uses and prescribes meat does not reason from cause to effect, and instead of acting as a restorer, he leads the patient by his own example to indulge perverted appetite.

Indulge in perverted appetite. Hm....

BTW - - the only real study that looks at VEGAN diet and female cancers shows a across the board decrease in such cancers. You best update your information. This includes cervical cancer. But - I'll BET you will not acknowledge this study. Care to prove me wrong?

Has anyone read Genesis one 29?

Again, APL, you are showing your inability to read for understanding. Your post demonstrates your level of studiousness and your willingness to misquote.

Yes, you have quoted exactly some of my words. But you have not done justice to what I was saying, for by leaving out a portion of what I said, you have twisted it to mean what you wish it had meant, and to say something that I never said nor intended to say. Here's what you did not quote:



In other words, you have argued fruitlessly against a point that I never made. I hope others are more diligent in their manner of arriving at truth. Truth is worth everything. Error should be shunned. There is life in truth, and death in error. May the truth reign!

I stand by my words. My words were accurate. You can only disprove them by finding a statement from Mrs. White where she instructed someone to teach people to give up milk or eggs. I don't believe you will find such a statement, for I have pored over all of Mrs. White's statements on this subject not once or twice and have preached on this subject a message with the full balance that Mrs. White gave it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Talk about playing with words....

How about Vegans and cervical cancer????

Indeed. I've also read Genesis 9:3, Deuteronomy 14, Exodus 16, and Matthew 14 and 16.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

So you admit that your advice to eat eggs to supply one's needs of B12 is invalid and without basis.


Green, are you a weak child who is unable to rally?

Green, are you dying? Do you take a raw egg two or three times a day?

Green, are you sinking and cannot be aroused? Are you exhausted and have not yet had a revival of life forces? Are you not fully recovered? (And before you spin it, consider that Brother Wilson DID become fully recovered.)

Green, are you not in a favorable condition?


Green, are you sick? Does not eating eggs, as long as you replace the nourishment that was removed, constitute extremes in diet?

Whether you are weak, dying, unable to rally, sinking and cannot be aroused, exhausted, your life forces failing, and not fully recovered, sickly and in an unfavorable condition, do not urge your views upon others who may not be in such a poor, sickly, dying condition as you may be. Those who CAN supply their nutritional needs in place of what has been left out.