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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Gregory] #157589
10/27/13 10:26 AM
10/27/13 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
In reading what Green has said on eating eggs (I have not read everything.) I am in general agreement with what he has said about eggs.

However, I note the following:

Quote:
Again, APL, you are showing your inability to read for understanding. Your post demonstrates your level of studiousness and your willingness to misquote.

Yes, you have quoted exactly some of my words. But you have not done justice to what I was saying, for by leaving out a portion of what I said, you have twisted it to mean what you wish it had meant, and to say something that I never said nor intended to say. Here's what you did not quote:


I would encourage Green to read the above as if it had been said to him. Sometimes what we say to others can well be directed to us.


Gregory,

Did you read the post of mine APL had responded to, and then his response to me? APL well knew what he was doing. The rebuke I gave was earned. If I were to have purposefully twisted his words to say the opposite of what he had said, I have no doubt that I would be deservedly rebuked as well. You will note that APL made no protest to this post which you found objectionable. He has accepted the facts and moved on. I hope you will too.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #157603
10/27/13 01:27 PM
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green - - do not take my silence to mean I accept what you have said. The more I read you, the more I test EVERYTHING you say, as your statement that EGW never proscribed eggs is false, and I gave you a "I was shown" statement.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #157605
10/27/13 01:48 PM
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Green knows at least his select quotations. What will he do with the rest?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #157607
10/27/13 01:57 PM
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APL Said:
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The more I read you, the more I test EVERYTHING you say, . . .


Exactly what you should do.


Gregory
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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #157608
10/27/13 02:00 PM
10/27/13 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
green - - do not take my silence to mean I accept what you have said. The more I read you, the more I test EVERYTHING you say, as your statement that EGW never proscribed eggs is false, and I gave you a "I was shown" statement.

Your error is not in the quote, it is in the interpretation of it. "Make eggs their diet" is not the same as "must never eat an egg." Reasonable minds would understand this.

APL, since you seem inclined to have a change of diet, and you wish to "make [something] [your] diet" according to Mrs. White, you should follow her counsel here:

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
Make fruit the article of diet to be placed on your table, which shall constitute the bill of fare.


smile

Does she mean to tell you to eat only fruit? Of course not. To "make a diet" of something or to "not make a diet" of something means to eat it regularly or not regularly, respectively. Mrs. White herself defines this distinction, as if she anticipated the immoderate views which people would arrive at such as some have put forward here.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
Oh my soul, how it has hurt me to have the blocks thrown in the way in regard to myself. They will tell you that Sister White did this, or Sister White did that,--for instance, "Sister White ate cheese, and so we are all at liberty to eat cheese." Who told them that I ate cheese? I never have cheese on my table. There was one time when I was at Minneapolis, one or two times I tasted it, but that is a different thing from making it a diet, entirely a different thing. I have tasted of very bitter herbs on special occasions, but I would not make a diet of them. But there was a special occasion in Minneapolis where I could get nothing else, and there were some small bits of cheese on the table, and my brethren were there, and one of them had told me that if I would eat a little of that it would change my condition, and I did. I took a bit of that cheese, and I do not think I touched it again the second time. {SpM 169.1}


In other words, even those who should not "make a diet" of eggs were never entirely proscribed from eating them. They were not, however, to eat them regularly. That is clear.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Johann] #157609
10/27/13 02:07 PM
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Johann said:
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Green knows at least his select quotations.


When I was in college, I read EGWs writings (The Conflict series, the 9 red books, and others.) multiple times. I read them to get a sense of where EGW was on a subject and to get a sense of the context of her statements.

In this computer age, with her writings on CDs and computerized searches (I have the CD.) I feel we have lost something. Yes, we have gained and perhaps more than we have lost. But, I feel that we may have l lost a sense of the context and an overall picture of the balance that EGW was.

Sometimes when I read the postings of people here, I wonder if their main (sole) exposure and understanding to EGW comes from a search of a CD.

I have that sense, or question in my mind, when I read some of Green's posts. E.G. I wonder if he has ever actually read the 9 red books? Maybe he has. I only wonder.

Yet, I have to say that in his postings about EGW and eggs, he does show a sense of her balance on the subject.


Gregory
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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Gregory] #157610
10/27/13 02:32 PM
10/27/13 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
APL Said:
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The more I read you, the more I test EVERYTHING you say, . . .


Exactly what you should do.


Indeed. Perhaps my posts here have accomplished something after all.

smile

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Gregory] #157611
10/27/13 02:37 PM
10/27/13 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
Johann said:
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Green knows at least his select quotations.


When I was in college, I read EGWs writings (The Conflict series, the 9 red books, and others.) multiple times. I read them to get a sense of where EGW was on a subject and to get a sense of the context of her statements.

In this computer age, with her writings on CDs and computerized searches (I have the CD.) I feel we have lost something. Yes, we have gained and perhaps more than we have lost. But, I feel that we may have l lost a sense of the context and an overall picture of the balance that EGW was.

Sometimes when I read the postings of people here, I wonder if their main (sole) exposure and understanding to EGW comes from a search of a CD.

I have that sense, or question in my mind, when I read some of Green's posts. E.G. I wonder if he has ever actually read the 9 red books? Maybe he has. I only wonder.

Yet, I have to say that in his postings about EGW and eggs, he does show a sense of her balance on the subject.

Yes, Gregory, I'm well-versed in the Spirit of Prophecy. I read nearly all of the nine volumes of the Testimonies as a child, before my teenage years. I am now re-reading them in their entirety. My parents gave considerable encouragement to read Mrs. White, but they never required it. This was very wise on their part. My mother read through all of the published writings of Ellen White during her childhood and youth. We have more publications today, of course, than she had. But I was brought up in an atmosphere based on the balance of Mrs. White, for certain points of imbalance with my parents' own upbringing they sought to correct in their own parenting, based on the balanced perspective of Mrs. White.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #157612
10/27/13 02:37 PM
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It has been said by others that everything should be tested. As to who should get credit--probably not anyone posting here.

On another subject: It has been said and posted in this forum:
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We want to know the truth, the whole truth as it is in Jesus. We cannot afford to cherish error on any point. Those who take their stand firmly upon the truth will know what affliction and persecution are. -- Ellen White


The context seems to me that error should not be cherished that is in Jesus. Perhaps there may be error that is NOT in Jesus and may not be of fundamental spiritual value.


Gregory
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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Gregory] #157632
10/28/13 01:38 AM
10/28/13 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
Johann said:
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Green knows at least his select quotations.


When I was in college, I read EGWs writings (The Conflict series, the 9 red books, and others.) multiple times. I read them to get a sense of where EGW was on a subject and to get a sense of the context of her statements.

In this computer age, with her writings on CDs and computerized searches (I have the CD.) I feel we have lost something. Yes, we have gained and perhaps more than we have lost. But, I feel that we may have l lost a sense of the context and an overall picture of the balance that EGW was.

Sometimes when I read the postings of people here, I wonder if their main (sole) exposure and understanding to EGW comes from a search of a CD.

I have that sense, or question in my mind, when I read some of Green's posts. E.G. I wonder if he has ever actually read the 9 red books? Maybe he has. I only wonder.

Yet, I have to say that in his postings about EGW and eggs, he does show a sense of her balance on the subject.
EGW was balanced. Green? Hm. To Green - everyone should be eating multiple eggs per day. He has accused several here of being brain damaged because of B12 deficiency. How exactly was he able to make that diagnosis? Prejudice viewpoint? EGW was balanced - the poor were not to be told to give up eggs; those who could not obtain that which was required to make good blood should not give up eggs as SOME, not all, required. She said we need to teach people how to give up eggs, and other things. She taught that some children should not have eggs due to sensual habits. She taught that disease was increasing and that milk and eggs would come to a point where they could not be trusted. She taught that eggs were of a lesser harm. EGW was balanced!

Look at the title of this thread to get Green's bias. Green has stated and to my knowledge not retracted his claim that vegans have higher the incidence of cervical cancer. Yet the only real study to look at vegans and female cancers including cervical cancer shows a decrease incidence. Does green even know what the cause of cervical cancer is?

EGW was balanced on the subject.


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