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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Exodus 36:6 | And Moses gave commandment, and they caused it to be proclaimed throughout the camp, saying, Let neither man nor woman make any more work for the offering of the sanctuary. So the people were restrained from bringing. | Then Moses gave an order and they sent this word throughout the camp: No man or woman is to make anything else as an offering for the sanctuary. And so the people were restrained from bringing more, | Joshua 22:3 | Ye have not left your brethren these many days unto this day, but have kept the charge of the commandment of the LORD your God. | For a long time nowto this very dayyou have not deserted your brothers but have carried out the mission the Lord your God gave you. | 1 Samuel 15:11 | It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night. | I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions. Samuel was troubled, and he cried out to the Lord all that night. | 1 Samuel 15:13 | And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the LORD: I have performed the commandment of the LORD. | When Samuel reached him, Saul said, The Lord bless you! I have carried out the Lord's instructions. | 2 Samuel 12:9 | Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon. | Why did you despise the word of the Lord by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. | 2 Kings 23:35 | And Jehoiakim gave the silver and the gold to Pharaoh; but he taxed the land to give the money according to the commandment of Pharaoh: he exacted the silver and the gold of the people of the land, of every one according to his taxation, to give it unto Pharaohnechoh. | Jehoiakim paid Pharaoh Neco the silver and gold he demanded. In order to do so, he taxed the land and exacted the silver and gold from the people of the land according to their assessments. | 1 Chronicles 14:12 | And when they had left their gods there, David gave a commandment, and they were burned with fire. | The Philistines had abandoned their gods there, and David gave orders to burn them in the fire. | 2 Chronicles 24:6 | And the king called for Jehoiada the chief, and said unto him, Why hast thou not required of the Levites to bring in out of Judah and out of Jerusalem the collection, according to the commandment of Moses the servant of the LORD, and of the congregation of Israel, for the tabernacle of witness? | Therefore the king summoned Jehoiada the chief priest and said to him, Why haven't you required the Levites to bring in from Judah and Jerusalem the tax imposed by Moses the servant of the Lord and by the assembly of Israel for the Tent of the Testimony? | 2 Chronicles 24:21 | And they conspired against him, and stoned him with stones at the commandment of the king in the court of the house of the LORD. | But they plotted against him, and by order of the king they stoned him to death in the courtyard of the Lord's temple. | 2 Chronicles 29:15 | And they gathered their brethren, and sanctified themselves, and came, according to the commandment of the king, by the words of the LORD, to cleanse the house of the LORD. | When they had assembled their brothers and consecrated themselves, they went in to purify the temple of the Lord, as the king had ordered, following the word of the Lord. | 2 Chronicles 30:12 | Also in Judah the hand of God was to give them one heart to do the commandment of the king and of the princes, by the word of the LORD. | Also in Judah the hand of God was on the people to give them unity of mind to carry out what the king and his officials had ordered, following the word of the Lord. | 2 Chronicles 31:5 | And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly. | As soon as the order went out, the Israelites generously gave the firstfruits of their grain, new wine, oil and honey and all that the fields produced. They brought a great amount, a tithe of everything. | 2 Chronicles 31:13 | And Jehiel, and Azaziah, and Nahath, and Asahel, and Jerimoth, and Jozabad, and Eliel, and Ismachiah, and Mahath, and Benaiah, were overseers under the hand of Cononiah and Shimei his brother, at the commandment of Hezekiah the king, and Azariah the ruler of the house of God. | Jehiel, Azaziah, Nahath, Asahel, Jerimoth, Jozabad, Eliel, Ismakiah, Mahath and Benaiah were supervisors under Conaniah and Shimei his brother, by appointment of King Hezekiah and Azariah the official in charge of the temple of God. | 2 Chronicles 35:10 | So the service was prepared, and the priests stood in their place, and the Levites in their courses, according to the king's commandment. | The service was arranged and the priests stood in their places with the Levites in their divisions as the king had ordered. | 2 Chronicles 35:15 | And the singers the sons of Asaph were in their place, according to the commandment of David, and Asaph, and Heman, and Jeduthun the king's seer; and the porters waited at every gate; they might not depart from their service; for their brethren the Levites prepared for them. | The musicians, the descendants of Asaph, were in the places prescribed by David, Asaph, Heman and Jeduthun the king's seer. The gatekeepers at each gate did not need to leave their posts, because their fellow Levites made the preparations for them. | 2 Chronicles 35:16 | So all the service of the LORD was prepared the same day, to keep the passover, and to offer burnt offerings upon the altar of the LORD, according to the commandment of king Josiah. | So at that time the entire service of the Lord was carried out for the celebration of the Passover and the offering of burnt offerings on the altar of the Lord, as King Josiah had ordered. | Ezra 4:21 | Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me. | Now issue an order to these men to stop work, so that this city will not be rebuilt until I so order. | Ezra 8:17 | And I sent them with commandment unto Iddo the chief at the place Casiphia, and I told them what they should say unto Iddo, and to his brethren the Nethinims, at the place Casiphia, that they should bring unto us ministers for the house of our God. | and I sent them to Iddo, the leader in Casiphia. I told them what to say to Iddo and his kinsmen, the temple servants in Casiphia, so that they might bring attendants to us for the house of our God. | Nehemiah 11:23 | For it was the king's commandment concerning them, that a certain portion should be for the singers, due for every day. | The singers were under the king's orders, which regulated their daily activity. | Nehemiah 12:24 | And the chief of the Levites: Hashabiah, Sherebiah, and Jeshua the son of Kadmiel, with their brethren over against them, to praise and to give thanks, according to the commandment of David the man of God, ward over against ward. | And the leaders of the Levites were Hashabiah, Sherebiah, Jeshua son of Kadmiel, and their associates, who stood opposite them to give praise and thanksgiving, one section responding to the other, as prescribed by David the man of God. | Esther 2:8 | So it came to pass, when the king's commandment and his decree was heard, and when many maidens were gathered together unto Shushan the palace, to the custody of Hegai, that Esther was brought also unto the king's house, to the custody of Hegai, keeper of the women. | When the king's order and edict had been proclaimed, many girls were brought to the citadel of Susa and put under the care of Hegai. Esther also was taken to the king's palace and entrusted to Hegai, who had charge of the harem. | Esther 2:20 | Esther had not yet shewed her kindred nor her people; as Mordecai had charged her: for Esther did the commandment of Mordecai, like as when she was brought up with him. | But Esther had kept secret her family background and nationality just as Mordecai had told her to do, for she continued to follow Mordecai's instructions as she had done when he was bringing her up. | Esther 4:3 | And in every province, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, there was great mourning among the Jews, and fasting, and weeping, and wailing; and many lay in sackcloth and ashes. | In every province to which the edict and order of the king came, there was great mourning among the Jews, with fasting, weeping and wailing. Many lay in sackcloth and ashes. | Esther 4:5 | Then called Esther for Hatach, one of the king's chamberlains, whom he had appointed to attend upon her, and gave him a commandment to Mordecai, to know what it was, and why it was. | Then Esther summoned Hathach, one of the king's eunuchs assigned to attend her, and ordered him to find out what was troubling Mordecai and why. | Esther 4:10 | Again Esther spake unto Hatach, and gave him commandment unto Mordecai; | Then she instructed him to say to Mordecai, | Esther 8:17 | And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them. | In every province and in every city, wherever the edict of the king went, there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and celebrating. And many people of other nationalities became Jews because fear of the Jews had seized them. | Psalms 103:18 | To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them. | with those who keep his covenant and remember to obey his precepts. | Psalms 103:20 | Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. | Praise the Lord, you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, who obey his word. | Psalms 111:7 | The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. | The works of his hands are faithful and just; all his precepts are trustworthy. | Psalms 111:10 | The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. | The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise. | Proverbs 19:16 | He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; but he that despiseth his ways shall die. | He who obeys instructions guards his life, but he who is contemptuous of his ways will die. | Isaiah 23:11 | He stretched out his hand over the sea, he shook the kingdoms: the LORD hath given a commandment against the merchant city, to destroy the strong holds thereof. | The Lord has stretched out his hand over the sea and made its kingdoms tremble. He has given an order concerning Phoenicia that her fortresses be destroyed. | Daniel 9:23 | At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision. | As soon as you began to pray, an answer was given, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the message and understand the vision: | Daniel 9:25 | Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. | Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven sevens, and sixty-two sevens. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. | Hosea 5:11 | Ephraim is oppressed and broken in judgment, because he willingly walked after the commandment. | Ephraim is oppressed, trampled in judgment, intent on pursuing idols. | Malachi 2:1 | And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. | And now this admonition is for you, O priests. | Malachi 2:4 | And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. | And you will know that I have sent you this admonition so that my covenant with Levi may continue, says the Lord Almighty. | Matthew 8:18 | Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side. | When Jesus saw the crowd around him, he gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake. | Matthew 15:6 | And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. | he is not to honor his father with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. | Matthew 15:9 | But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. | They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. | Mark 7:7 | Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. | They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. | Mark 12:29 | And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: | The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. | Mark 12:30 | And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. | Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. | Luke 15:29 | And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends: | But he answered his father, Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. | John 11:57 | Now both the chief priests and the Pharisees had given a commandment, that, if any man knew where he were, he should shew it, that they might take him. | But the chief priests and Pharisees had given orders that if anyone found out where Jesus was, he should report it so that they might arrest him. | Acts 1:2 | Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: | until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. | Acts 15:24 | Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: | We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. | Acts 17:15 | And they that conducted Paul brought him unto Athens: and receiving a commandment unto Silas and Timotheus for to come to him with all speed, they departed. | The men who escorted Paul brought him to Athens and then left with instructions for Silas and Timothy to join him as soon as possible. | Acts 23:30 | And when it was told me how that the Jews laid wait for the man, I sent straightway to thee, and gave commandment to his accusers also to say before thee what they had against him. Farewell. | When I was informed of a plot to be carried out against the man, I sent him to you at once. I also ordered his accusers to present to you their case against him. | Colossians 4:10 | Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him;) | My fellow prisoner Aristarchus sends you his greetings, as does Mark, the cousin of Barnabas. (You have received instructions about him; if he comes to you, welcome him.) | 1 Thessalonians 4:2 | For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. | For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. | Hebrews 7:16 | Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. | one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. | Hebrews 7:18 | For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. | The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless | Hebrews 11:22 | By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones. | By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions about his bones. | Hebrews 11:23 | By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment. | By faith Moses' parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king's edict. | Revelation 22:14 | Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. | Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. |
That last verse is especially egregious. No one will get to heaven by "washing their robes." If the "robe" had any stain upon it, it would mean that it was not the robe Jesus gives to His wedding guests, pure and perfect by His grace. One's own robe will never admit him or her to heaven. The parable tells us what happens to the wedding guest who did not put on the wedding garment. We have no power at all to "wash" our robes. We can only accept Christ's perfect robe, which is unsoiled and has no need of washing. Nay, but the Not Inspired Version wishes to erase God's commandments and cause you to accept a belief that you may be saved in your sins, having no requirement to obey God's commandments. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Because:
1) You are simply wrong in some basics of what you say. 2) You state partial truths which I follow up on.
E.g. You tell us that a name is a name and I follow up with only when that name references the same person.
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Chastity: Defination, a state or condition.
Chastity: A well-known female born to well-known parents.
Chastity: A well-known male born to well-known parents.
Green, you introduce the subject and I follow up with a logical response to what you have stated.
A name is not simply a name regardless of how many times you might say so.
This is a direct response to a statement that you made about a specific name as given in the KJV and the NIV.
In the above, I am giving a clear reason to show why you are wrong. My illustration came out of your citation of the Biblical verse and your statement about it.
You went in that direction and I followed you.
Gregory May God's will be done.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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10/24/13 04:27 PM
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Gregory,
If the Greek says "Jesus" why does the NIV waffle between "Jesus" and "Joshua?" If the Greek says "Joseph" why does the NIV translate "father?" If the Greek says "twelve" why does the NIV just omit the number completely?
Honestly, I don't know of any Bible scholars who try to defend the accuracy of the NIV. Why do you?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
Last edited by Green Cochoa; 10/24/13 04:28 PM.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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And note Green, in Hebrews 4:8 and Acts 7:45 the Jesus spoken about is the the Messiah, which also just happens to fit the context. TYPO - Here is the correct sentence... And note Green, in Hebrews 4:8 and Acts 7:45 the Jesus spoken about is NOT the the Messiah, which also just happens to fit the context.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Honestly, I don't know of any Bible scholars who try to defend the accuracy of the NIV. Why do you? I must apologize to you. I did not realize that you were so uninformed.
Gregory May God's will be done.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Green said: That last verse is especially egregious. No one will get to heaven by "washing their robes." If the "robe" had any stain upon it, it would mean that it was not the robe Jesus gives to His wedding guests, pure and perfect by His grace. One's own robe will never admit him or her to heaven. The parable tells us what happens to the wedding guest who did not put on the wedding garment. Green, you might find it interesting to read Revelation 7:14. There are many who believe that the "wash your robes" reading in Revelation 22:14 is tied to Revelation 7:14. Whether true or not, I believe that Revelation 7:14 blunts the force of your argument on the 22nd passage.
Gregory May God's will be done.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Actually, the real question should be, how is Joshua translated in Greek? There is no "Joshua" in the Greek. Sorry, I should have said: Actually, the real question should be, how is Joshua translated in to Greek?
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Yes, kland. Ellen White disagreed with that translation of "Joshua," as it would appear. She corrects that thinking.
At least two agreed with me, and yet you insist on the opposite of what Ellen White said. What does: "Another than Joshua must guide His people to the true rest of faith" mean to you? Are you just being cantankerous, taking a view to generate conflict? Being a moderator, are there slow times, and you're just trying to generate activity or "ratings" in an Elle type of way? What about "another than Joshua" do you not understand?
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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kland,
Would you say that we should have a Bible version that says "Joshua" in every occurrence of the word "Jesus" in English, and omit the word "Jesus?" That is the question you need to answer in order to support your opinion.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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10/28/13 01:52 AM
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kland,
Would you say that we should have a Bible version that says "Joshua" in every occurrence of the word "Jesus" in English, and omit the word "Jesus?" That is the question you need to answer in order to support your opinion.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. If there were such a translation, would it alter truth? Not one iota.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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