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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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I am just shaking my head over the following statement: There is no "Joshua" in the Greek. It is a partial truth. The word "Joshua" is a word written in the alphabet used by the English language. The Greek language uses a different alphabet. On that basis, it is correct to say that there is no "Joshua" in Greek. Technically that is true. But, if one wanted to do so, one could transliterate the English word "Joshua" into a Greek word using the Greek alphabet. There is nothing that would prevent one from doing so. As a transliteration, there is no rule of the Greek language that would be violated by doing so. By doing so, one would have the word "Joshua" in Greek. Remember, transliteration is not the same a translation. Transliteration is what we are dealing with here as the English word "Joshua" is a transliteration of a word written in the Hebrew language. And I might shake my head over the ignorance of one who has likely studied Hebrew and Greek. Let me ask a simple question: Is "Jesus" a word in the Greek? If so, why? If not, why not? Do you believe both Jesus and Joshua appear in the Greek New Testament as separate words? If so, support your answer. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Green: You said: If the NIV believes that the Greek "Iēsous" should be translated as "Joshua" (Hebrew: "Yĕhowshuwa`") in English, then we should not see any occurrence of the word "Jesus" in their translation. If, however, they recognize that "Jesus" is the proper translation, they have clearly deviated from this in Hebrews 4:8. Now you say that you know the difference between the words "translation" and "transliteration." O.K. Well, your statement above is clearly wrong. You now seem to be telling me that you knew the difference. O.K. ! Your statement in your response to me is a partial truth. But, I will leave it at that and not argue with you on that. Of course, you are entitled to beleive what you wish about the SDABC. Of course, it can be wrong. Of course, it sometimes is wrong. But, it contains better knowledge than either your or I have. On this case it is correct as I have cited it.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Let me ask a simple question: Is "Jesus" a word in the Greek? If so, why? If not, why not?
Do you believe both Jesus and Joshua appear in the Greek New Testament as separate words? If so, support your answer. Again, Green, you state partial truths. As you may recall, I have already answered part of your quesiton. Your questions remind me of: 1) Do you beleive that the Earth contains silica? 2) If so, do you beleive that concrete contains silica? 3) Now support your position that the surface of the Earth is hardened concrete.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Gregory,
You apparently have done very little translation work. That seems evident. The word "translation" includes: translation, interpretation, transliteration, and, yes, even editing. One thing that came to my attention just this week is that when translating, titles are never the same. For example, if you look at the National Geographic magazine articles in English and note their titles, then compare those titles to a translated version of their magazine, you will immediately note that the titles are different. They are not translated. Titling is an art to itself in the process of translation.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Let me ask a simple question: Is "Jesus" a word in the Greek? If so, why? If not, why not?
Do you believe both Jesus and Joshua appear in the Greek New Testament as separate words? If so, support your answer. Again, Green, you state partial truths. As you may recall, I have already answered part of your quesiton. Your questions remind me of: 1) Do you beleive that the Earth contains silica? 2) If so, do you beleive that concrete contains silica? 3) Now support your position that the surface of the Earth is hardened concrete. Your non-answer is noted. You have intelligently side-stepped a proper answer, because a proper answer would show the correctness of my position. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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It should be noted that I have no issue with whether Jesus' name were transliterated or "translated." I have an issue with consistency. A name is a name, and a number is a number. There is no reason to translate names or numbers in multiple ways based on their context. The NIV, however, has done this.
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We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Your non-answer is noted. You have intelligently side-stepped a proper answer, because a proper answer would show the correctness of my position. Thank you for saying that my response was intelligent.  However, a proper answer does not show the correctness of your position. If A is true and B is true, C may still be false.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Yes, you description of translating the National Geographic includes all of the elements that you have listed and probably more.
You are talking about more than just translation. You are talking about preparing for publication.
However, believe it or not, translating the Biblical MSS differs from that of the National Geographic.
Preparing for the publicaiton of a version of the Bible in quite different than publishing the National Geographic.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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It should be noted that I have no issue with whether Jesus' name were transliterated or "translated." I have an issue with consistency. A name is a name, and a number is a number. A name is only a name when it applies to the same person. A number is only a number when it has the same base. E.G. The number 11 has one meaning in a base 10 number system and a totally different meaning in a base 2 number system. For example, the number 11 in the base 2 number system has exactlly the same meaning as the number 3 in the base 10 system. IOW 3 = 11 NOTE: If you want to have some real fun, bring a base 12 or base 16 number system into play. That will stretch your mind. To learn more about base 2 equivalents in the bse 10 see the following URL: http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/01045/pages/base_two.htm
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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10/24/13 03:44 PM
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Gregory, Why do you attempt to distract from the topic so frequently on this thread? I feel you have an agenda. There is no reason to bring up base 2 or any other bases here, for they do not involve Bible translations. Devil's rabbits...so let's put something else that's a real issue here. They say a good offense is the best defense. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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