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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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10/28/13 02:30 AM
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I don't take such a careless view of scripture. Jesus said not one jot or tittle would pass from the law. God's law tells us that there is no other name under Heaven whereby men must be saved. What's in a name? Can any name have the same impact? Why not select the name "John?" It's a common name these days...might make Jesus seem more down-to-earth and personable. The angel even directed that this name be given to Jesus' cousin, who later baptized Him. Why not put "John" in place of "Jesus?" They both start with the same letter, and have about the same amount of resemblance as have "Jesus" and "Jehoshua." Would you believe that truth would not be changed "one iota" if we changed all of the "Jesus" words to "John?"
Think about it. The Greek for Jesus and the Hebrew for Joshua aren't as similar to my mind as some people try to claim. The main argument for similarity that holds any weight in my mind is that of the meaning of the words. I believe God designed it this way, for Joshua was a type of Christ, leading God's people into the promised land.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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10/28/13 03:39 AM
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I don't take such a careless view of scripture. Jesus said not one jot or tittle would pass from the law. God's law tells us that there is no other name under Heaven whereby men must be saved. What's in a name? Can any name have the same impact? Why not select the name "John?" It's a common name these days...might make Jesus seem more down-to-earth and personable. The angel even directed that this name be given to Jesus' cousin, who later baptized Him. Why not put "John" in place of "Jesus?" They both start with the same letter, and have about the same amount of resemblance as have "Jesus" and "Jehoshua." Would you believe that truth would not be changed "one iota" if we changed all of the "Jesus" words to "John?"
Think about it. The Greek for Jesus and the Hebrew for Joshua aren't as similar to my mind as some people try to claim. The main argument for similarity that holds any weight in my mind is that of the meaning of the words. I believe God designed it this way, for Joshua was a type of Christ, leading God's people into the promised land.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. Interesting... Then WHY do you call the Messiah Jesus? He NEVER used that name when He was here on earth? Indeed Hebrews 4:8 and Acts 7:45 are not speaking about the Messiah. Colossians 4:11 is not speaking about the Messiah. If there is power in the ink used to write a name, then we have a problem. But the Messiah never used the name Jesus, are you then in trouble for not using the correct name? Your "john" example is silly and irrelevant. The ENGLISH for Jesus and Iesous or Jehoshua are not the similar either. You make a big deal about the Greek, but what was Jesus's daily language? Was it Greek? Nope. I think you have a problem.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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10/28/13 07:49 AM
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I don't take such a careless view of scripture. Jesus said not one jot or tittle would pass from the law. God's law tells us that there is no other name under Heaven whereby men must be saved. What's in a name? Can any name have the same impact? Why not select the name "John?" It's a common name these days...might make Jesus seem more down-to-earth and personable. The angel even directed that this name be given to Jesus' cousin, who later baptized Him. Why not put "John" in place of "Jesus?" They both start with the same letter, and have about the same amount of resemblance as have "Jesus" and "Jehoshua." Would you believe that truth would not be changed "one iota" if we changed all of the "Jesus" words to "John?"
Think about it. The Greek for Jesus and the Hebrew for Joshua aren't as similar to my mind as some people try to claim. The main argument for similarity that holds any weight in my mind is that of the meaning of the words. I believe God designed it this way, for Joshua was a type of Christ, leading God's people into the promised land.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. It is noteworthy that the actual name given in Acts 4 is not only Jesus, but Jesus Christ of Nazareth. A careful study of the New Testament indicates that the word "name" is often a synonyme with the word person. Read the whole chapter
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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10/28/13 12:35 PM
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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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10/29/13 04:16 PM
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kland,
Would you say that we should have a Bible version that says "Joshua" in every occurrence of the word "Jesus" in English, and omit the word "Jesus?" That is the question you need to answer in order to support your opinion.
Green, you seem to be having a hard time with thinking through this. What about "another than Joshua" do you not understand? How is Joshua translated into Greek?
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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Bumping for Green - - "another than Joshua"
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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01/09/14 05:21 AM
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Why didn't you answer the question I asked of you in the other topic--and just came and revived this here?
Who is "another than Joshua?"
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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01/09/14 05:29 AM
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Why didn't you answer the question I asked of you in the other topic--and just came and revived this here?
Who is "another than Joshua?"
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. This bump was just to remind you as you seem to have forgotten this was discussed. And you seem to have forgotten that it was kland on the other thread, not me.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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01/09/14 06:23 AM
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Apologies. You two post so much alike, I got confused. But then...that still leaves the question of why you don't just let the other thread's question get answered.
Whichever place it wants to get posted...let's see an answer!
Who is "another than Joshua?"
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: King James Version or RSV or NIV, does it matter?
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01/09/14 12:18 PM
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that still leaves the question of why you don't just let the other thread's question get answered. Since the question was hashed over so much on this thread, no need to repost all the replies, just read them here.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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