M: APL, it feels like you are avoiding my posts. Perhaps you are too busy to respond? I would appreciate it if you would state your position plainly. Asking questions hoping my answers will help me decipher what you believe isn't working for me. I need you to state your position plainly. Quoting the Bible and the SOP doesn't help me understand your position. I read them and arrive at different conclusions. Also, quoting EJW isn't constructive. I don't trust his views. Nor do I believe he is inspired.
sorry if I don't fulfill your expectations. Simple answers often to not convey the whole truth. Interesting that quoting the Bible and SOP is not helpful to you. Where else are we to find truth? What ever we jolly feel like believing? No. My faith is supported by evidence, and evidence that appeals to the reason. How can I give my thoughts without the evidence.

1. It sounds like you believe Jesus compromised truth to accommodate the evil desires of sinners and commanded them to execute capital punishment and to wage war.
God never compromises truth. Israel was NEVER supposed to fight. Their wars were the result of rejection of God's rule. Did God abandon them at that point? Nope.

2. It sounds like you believe Jesus is guiltless even though He commanded sinners to execute capital punishment and to wage war.
Israel was NEVER supposed to fight. Their wars were the result of rejection of God's rule. Did God abandon them at that point? Nope.

3. It sounds like you believe Jesus has never killed sinners, that disease, death, and devastation is the result of Jesus either 1) withdrawing His protection and permitting nature to wreak havoc, 2) permitting evil men to wreak havoc, or 3) permitting evil angels to wreak havoc.
Seems you believe that death and destruction are the work of Satan and of God. We can't win. Both will get you!
ALL sickness, disease, death, are the results of SIN.

4. It sounds like you believe any inspired passage that describes Jesus or holy angels causing disease, death, or devastation must be interpreted to mean nature, evil men, or evil angels caused it.
ALL sickness, disease, death is the results of SIN.

A: Waging war was not in God's plan. It was what the people demanded. . . You believe that God causes sickness and disease. EGW says NO! . . . War is murder.
Interesting - you say EGW says no, but it is not helpful to quote EGW. YOU say I believe God causes sickness and disease???? Israel was NEVER suppose to fight.
ALL sickness, disease, death is the result of SIN.

APL, I think I understand what you believe. You believe Jesus has never caused disease, death, or destruction. It is the result of sin,sinners, and evil angels. You also believe Jesus commanded capital punishment and war because the Jews desired it. It was not a compromise.

MM - did the Israelites follow God in all His commands? What happened at Sinai right after they said they would do all He commanded? The Golden Calf.

MM - do YOU believe that the Israelites were suppose to fight their way into Canaan? If so, based on what? If not, based on what?

Not sure you're one to be talking about versions. You seem to give plenty of examples indicating you do not understand what you talk about regarding versions and translations.

So you admit that you cannot give clear and concise distinction between murder and killing. You took over a dozen pages. You talk about the cities of refuge, about intentional murder versus unintentional murder. But as near as I can weed through your thought patterns, you basically say none of any distinction is relevant because God is the "avenger", and therefore he can outright murder people.

For some reason you gave the cities of refuge. The avenger is the one who kills those who killed their family members.

Tell us, when God murders/avenges people, who has those people, who have been tried by 2 or more witnesses, murdered of God's family members?

If Jesus causes disease, death, destruction, of what use do you think Jesus needs of satan?

But do you kill your son as punishment? Or do you agree killing cannot be "punishment"?

It is interesting to read Carsten Johnsen on the Alpha and the Omega. The Alpha had to do with pantheism, God in everything. The problem with this is that God then becomes the source of evil. The Omega is like the Alpha. Do we see a similarity?

APL;

Here is what I believe Mrs White meant when she said the Omega of apostasy is similar to the Alpha.

In a review of the 2009 film Avatar, Ross Douthat, an author, described pantheism as "Hollywood’s religion of choice for a generation now".

Hollywood has taken pantheism and ran with it. Movies are connected to a deep connection in peoples hearts in the western world. The idea of Ghosts is being promoted along with pantheism.

She also said music would be part of the apostasy. Drums in the sanctuary is everywhere now. Rock music in the sanctuary is killing the separation we have from the world, bringing it right into our churches.

My ex pastor once advocated watching the movie Avatar because of the honest sincerity of mans roll in the destruction of our planet.

He used images from that movie and dozens of others to support his sermons. I see that everywhere now.

No, the Jews did not obey everything Jesus commanded.

Moses waged war.