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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: APL]
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11/24/13 07:53 PM
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M: Do you think Jesus is less culpable when He permits evil angels to inflict suffering and death? To what purpose does Jesus permit evil angels to inflict suffering and death?
A: "It is true that all suffering results from the transgression of God's law, but this truth had become perverted. Satan, the author of sin and all its results, had led men to look upon disease and death as proceeding from God." "In the judgment of the universe, God will stand clear of blame for the existence or continuance of evil. It will be demonstrated that the divine decrees are not accessory to sin. There was no defect in God's government, no cause for disaffection. {DA 58.1} Please explain how the passages you posted above answer the two questions posted above. Thank you.
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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11/24/13 07:54 PM
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APL, we cannot force every incident to fit the "withdraw and permit principle of punishment". The Bible and the SOP are too plain, too explicit. To insist evil angels cause the seven last plagues and then fear and tremble at the results elicits visions of mad scientists and exploding beakers and chemical burns. It just doesn't fit. Evil angels are not ignorant, bumbling fools. It is naive to think otherwise.
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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11/25/13 03:36 PM
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Symbolic language - what does it mean? How does a vial hold wrath? What is God's wrath? What is the wrath of the LAMB? What is a lamb - a baby sheep! Re 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Wonder why it doesn't it say, from the wrath of the Lion of the tribe of Judah? I mean, He is called the Lion, and that would make more sense for someone in fear and calling on the rocks to fall on them. But instead they say, hide us from the wrath of a baby sheep!
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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11/25/13 05:05 PM
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Good question. Also wonder why they feared and fled from Jesus in the Temple? The children stayed and fell asleep in His arms.
Why did Jesus command Moses to kill? Strange act, indeed. Wish APL or Kland would explain. Moses was uncertain what to do with the Sabbath-breaker and the blasphemer. When he inquired of God, Jesus commanded him to stone them to death. Wonder why Jesus didn't use the opportunity to explain why killing them would be evil and wrong? Instead, Jesus commanded Moses to kill them.
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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11/25/13 07:14 PM
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Symbolic language - what does it mean? How does a vial hold wrath? What is God's wrath? What is the wrath of the LAMB? What is a lamb - a baby sheep! Re 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Wonder why it doesn't it say, from the wrath of the Lion of the tribe of Judah? I mean, He is called the Lion, and that would make more sense for someone in fear and calling on the rocks to fall on them. But instead they say, hide us from the wrath of a baby sheep! LOL You would understand it better if you were to consider the scenario around the time of the event. It's tied to an obscure prophecy that Jesus made in Mat. 26:60-64. He had been taken before Caiaphas, the High Priest and the people had begun to accuse him without success. "But at last two false witnesses came forward and said, 'This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.'
And the high priest arose and said to Him, 'Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?' But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, 'I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!'
Jesus said to him, 'It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.'" It would be this same Jesus of Nazareth, THE CHRIST, who they would be seeing coming in the clouds of heaven, the one who stood before them long ago bruised, broken and hanging on a cross, blood falling from his forehead. It would be this same Jesus of Nazareth, THE CHRIST, who they would be driven to finally see as their Messiah, though their confession would be one of abject fear and terror rather than acceptance. It would be this same Jesus of Nazareth, THE CHRIST, who was preached to them as the Savior since the days of Pentecost, from who they would run, the same Lamb of God who had taken away the sin of the world. Behold what a great ROAR you have acquired, O Lamb! ///
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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11/26/13 04:27 PM
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A lamb-like beast is going to form an image to the beast and legislate and enforce the mark of the beast even to the point of martyring millions who remain faithful to Jesus. Apparently biblical lambs have a fierce and fearsome side.
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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11/26/13 04:28 PM
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Symbolic language - what does it mean? How does a vial hold wrath? What is God's wrath? What is the wrath of the LAMB? When you give a man alcohol to drink, he takes it in, drifts into a state of silly delirium, stumbles about and falls heavily, not knowing what has happened to him. God uses this imagery of drunken stupor leading to death in Jeremiah 13:12-14. Therefore you shall speak to them this word: Thus says the Lord God of Israel: 'Every bottle shall be filled with wine.' And they will say to you, 'Do we not certainly know that every bottle will be filled with wine?'
Then you shall say to them, 'Thus says the Lord: Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land — even the kings who sit on David’s throne, the priests, the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem — WITH DRUNKENNESS! And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, says the Lord. I will not pity nor spare nor have mercy, but will destroy them.' Notice how the wine is poured into the bottles and the bottles dashed mightily against each other! That wine is like a doctrine, a false prophecy, a giving over to worthless ideology, that causes many to do stupid things in the end, turn one against another and bring the entire family, church, society, country, even the whole world to utter ruin. This is why the angels of the seven last plagues POUR OUT THE BOWLS (VIALS OR BOTTLES) OF THE WRATH OF GOD ON THE EARTH. Because the inhabitants of the earth will have rejected knowledge, God will drive them over to the point where they will believe seven lies to their ruin. For each plague they will refuse to acknowledge that God was punishing them, but that all things were of natural cause and could be ameliorated, rectified by the wisdom of men until they exalt themselves to heaven in their crazy pride, brutally subjugating anyone who seeks to correct them. Then the carpet will be pulled from under their feet and they will not know what just hit them. Notice how Jesus pointedly interjects towards the end of the sixth plague saying, "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame." This is what happened to the Millerites. They refused to believe the Son of God (Mat. 24:336), therefore they were left naked and the whole world saw their shame. To run after a false prophet will only lead to GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT. He who does not learn of history, is fated to repeat it. ///
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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11/26/13 04:35 PM
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APL and Kland, please explain 1) why Jesus commanded Moses to kill. When Moses was uncertain what to do with the Sabbath-breaker and the blasphemer he inquired of God. In response, Jesus, in no uncertain words, commanded him to stone them to death. 2) Why didn't Jesus use these opportunities to properly educate Moses? 3) Why didn't Jesus explain why killing them would be evil and wrong? Instead, Jesus commanded Moses to kill them. 4) Also, why didn't Moses protest? 5) Why didn't he plead their case (like he did when Jesus threatened to kill off all the Jews)?
PS - I would appreciate you addressing all 5 questions.
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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11/26/13 04:45 PM
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A lamb-like beast is going to form an image to the beast and legislate and enforce the mark of the beast even to the point of martyring millions who remain faithful to Jesus. Apparently biblical lambs have a fierce and fearsome side. Because the Lamb (with a capital L) is representative of the Son of Man AND the Son of God: High Priest AND King, Advocate AND Judge, Father of Love AND Discipline. ///
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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11/26/13 04:53 PM
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APL and Kland, please explain 1) why Jesus commanded Moses to kill. When Moses was uncertain what to do with the Sabbath-breaker and the blasphemer he inquired of God. In response, Jesus, in no uncertain words, commanded him to stone them to death. 2) Why didn't Jesus use these opportunities to properly educate Moses? 3) Why didn't Jesus explain why killing them would be evil and wrong? Instead, Jesus commanded Moses to kill them. 4) Also, why didn't Moses protest? 5) Why didn't he plead their case (like he did when Jesus threatened to kill off all the Jews)?
PS - I would appreciate you addressing all 5 questions. THAT particular man was a type of Pharaoh Ramses or of King Saul or of Ananias and Sapphira. Each one of them was chosen for the role they were going to play long before their end. Their character was tested and deemed worthless yet they were preserved to be an example to the children of Israel and to the Church, as the case may be. Even today, the wheat and tares are allowed in the field with the tares serving as vessels of wrath kept for a putting away and destruction that the children of God may see the end result of sin. God bears long with the tares until their moment in the sun and utter darkness. ///
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