M: Jesus commanded Moses to "go up and take" the Promised Land. "God had bidden ["required"] them go up and take the land". The commands "Go up and possess" and "Go up and take" mean "take by force". From Strong's #3423:


"Possess" [#3423] means "to occupy (by driving out previous tenants, and possessing in their place); by implication to seize, to rob, to inherit; also to expel, to impoverish, to ruin". Here's how #3423 is used elsewhere:


How did Jesus "cast out [3423]" the Canaanites? He commanded Moses, Joshua, and the Judges to "go up and possess [3423]" the land. Same word. You have already agreed Jesus commanded Moses, Joshua, and the Judges to "go up and possess [3423]" the land with the edge of the sword. You have admitted this several times in no uncertain words. So, why are you now trying to prove the command "go up and possess [3423]" doesn't mean cast out, consume, destroy with the edge of the sword? If not this command, where in the Bible did Jesus command Moses, Joshua, and the Judges to take the land with the edge of the sword? You believe He said it, so post it.


How did Jesus "cast out [3423]" the Canaanites? He commanded Moses, Joshua, and the Judges to "go up and possess [3423]" the land. Again, same word. You argue the promise to "cast out [3423]" originally meant Jesus would send hornets to kill the Canaanites. But the inspired record proves otherwise. He commanded Moses, Joshua, and the Judges to do it. How did they do it? They deployed the Hebrew military. You have said so yourself. I agree.


Once again "destroy [3423]" obviously means to kill with the edge of the sword. Do you agree?


Obviously "consume [3423]" means to physically destroy. Do you agree?

Deuteronomy
1:21 Behold, the LORD thy God hath set the land before thee: go up and possess it, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath said unto thee; fear not, neither be discouraged.
9:23 Likewise when the LORD sent you from Kadeshbarnea, saying, Go up and possess the land which I have given you; then ye rebelled against the commandment of the LORD your God, and ye believed him not, nor hearkened to his voice.

Obviously you believe "go up and possess" implies Jesus promised to make room for the Hebrews in Canaan by killing the Canaanites with hornets. I disagree. The facts speak for themselves. Jesus commanded Moses, Joshua, and the Judges to take Canaan by killing every man, woman, and child. You have repeatedly stated you believe Jesus did indeed command it. Please post passages you believe reflect Jesus commanding it.

Please answer the questions regarding the specific texts posted above.

I have stated my position. What do you not understand?

You have repeatedly stated that Jesus commanded His chosen people, through Moses, Joshua, and the Judges, to attack the Canaanites and to kill every man, women, and child with the edge of the sword. I have repeatedly asked you to post the texts where Jesus said so. So far you have not. You have rejected the texts I posted.

"God still gave them instructions in how to fight using THEIR chosen methods... It was only God meeting the people where they were that God gave them these instructions, which also does not lead to eternal life. They needed to see God as He really was. Some got it, most did not. Christ ultimately came and gave a true view of God's character. Jesus's life is the answer to the real truth about what God is like.

So it's not evil if God tells them how to kill, APL?

You are really crossing lines here.

The injustice of your perception is beyond comprehension.

Please look at Deuteronomy 20 and you will find that the Canaanites had crossed the line in how they received the people of God.

10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:

18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

APL, you really need to do some soul searching in what you are trying to teach others, you do not know the truth on this matter.

God COMMANDED that the influence of those heathen nations were destructive in themselves and He wanted nothing left of them. IT WAS A COMMAND FROM GOD TO DESTROY THEM, GET IT?

They were the ones who mocked everything about God and did everything to destroy the people of God. Demons directed their every move. They would be like Satanists by discent. Nothing good was in their hearts ever. They had reached the end of God's forbearance.

A: I have stated my position. What do you not understand?

M: You have repeatedly stated that Jesus commanded His chosen people, through Moses, Joshua, and the Judges, to attack the Canaanites and to kill every man, women, and child with the edge of the sword. I have repeatedly asked you to post the texts where Jesus said so. So far you have not. You have rejected the texts I posted.

A: You repeated do not understand what I have said. It was not God's plan that the people fight their way into Canaan and more that they were required to fight their way out of Egypt. The land was given to them as a gift. But the disbelieved God! The did not go in and possess the land as God had commanded. Then in continued violation, they tried to go fight and failed miserably. IF they had followed God's plan, they would not have needed to fight nor were the Canaanites necessarily needed to be killed. God was to drive them out slowly, not in one year, etc... as Scripture says. But the people did not follow God. Did God abandon them? Nope. God still gave them instructions in how to fight using THEIR chosen methods. Just as God gave them instructions in how to manage divorce and polygamy. War God hates. Divorce God hates. Polygamy God hates. It was only God meeting the people where they were that God gave them these instructions, which also does not lead to eternal life. They needed to see God as He really was. Some got it, most did not. Christ ultimately came and gave a true view of God's character. Jesus's life is the answer to the real truth about what God is like.

So terribly blinded had they become by transgression. The Lord had never commanded them to "go up and fight." It was not His purpose that they should gain the land by warfare, but by strict obedience to His commands. {PP 392.3}