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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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"The principles of the divine government are in perfect harmony with the Saviour's precept, “Love your enemies.” God executes justice upon the wicked, for the good of the universe, and even for the good of those upon whom his judgments are visited. He would make them happy if he could do so in accordance with the laws of his government and the justice of his character. He surrounds them with the tokens of his love, he grants them a knowledge of his law, and follows them with the offers of his mercy; but they despise his love, make void his law, and reject his mercy. While constantly receiving his gifts, they dishonor the Giver; they hate God because they know that he abhors their sins. The Lord bears long with their perversity; but the decisive hour will come at last, when their destiny is to be decided....
The destiny of the wicked is fixed by their own choice. Their exclusion from Heaven is voluntary with themselves, and just and merciful on the part of God.
Like the waters of the flood, the fires of the great day declare God's verdict that the wicked are incurable.....
It is in mercy to the universe that God will finally destroy the rejecters of his grace. {GC88 542-543}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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And HOW does God execute justice? GC 36.1
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Yes, MM, I understand that you do not distinguish between right and wrong. That's why you cannot see that you have the wrong view of God. Because you see there is no wrong. Jon 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Kland, it was right for Moses to obey Jesus and kill criminals and combatants. It would have been wrong for Noah or Lot to drown or burn unrepentant sinners. But it was right for Jesus to do it.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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The following descriptions do not reflect the withdraw and permit principle of punishment: ". . . God drowned the vast world." How? He used water. PP 90-104.
The depths of the earth are the Lord's arsenal, whence were drawn weapons to be employed in the destruction of the old world. Waters gushing from the earth united with the waters from heaven to accomplish the work of desolation. Since the Flood, fire as well as water has been God's agent to destroy very wicked cities. {PP 109.1}
The bowels of the earth were the Lord's arsenal, from which he drew forth the weapons he employed in the destruction of the old world. Waters in the bowels of the earth gushed forth, and united with the waters from heaven, to accomplish the work of destruction. Since the flood, God has used both water and fire in the earth as his agents to destroy wicked cities. {1SP 84.3}
As he called forth the waters in the earth at the time of the flood, as weapons from his arsenal to accomplish the destruction of the antediluvian race, so at the end of the one thousand years he will call forth the fires in the earth as his weapons which he has reserved for the final destruction, not only of successive generations since the flood, but the antediluvian race who perished by the flood. {3SG 87.1} Nature is not self-acting. Water cannot flow or flood without Jesus. Water flows because Jesus makes it flow.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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God called forth serpents to bite the child of Israel in the desert too! The serpents were His weapons. The serpents were His arsenal.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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[quote=kland] Lot would have had no right to inflict punishment on his sons-in-law, but God would do it in strict justice. {LDE 241.2} Yes! And HOW does God do it? {GC 36.1} God sends his angels with His divine mandate and they become the deliveres of His justice. "The heavenly messengers took Lot and his wife and daughters by the hand and led them out of the city. {PP 160.1} Here the angels left them, and turned back to Sodom to accomplish their work of destruction. "The angels revealed to Lot the object of their mission: “ We will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it.” {PP 159.3}
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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But of course you have some neat little way to explain these words away don't you APL?
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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But of course you have some neat little way to explain these words away don't you APL? I don't need neat little words. All I need is the truth. Hosea 11:8 is a good place to start.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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