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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
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12/17/13 04:01 PM
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Christ has declared our position. "He that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life" (John 8:12). He is Himself the bright and morning Star. He is the Sun of Righteousness, the brightness of His Father's glory. He is the "true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (chap. 1:9). A Physician, a Healer, He came to restore the moral image of God that was lost by transgression. {TDG 357.4} Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
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Christ has declared our position. "He that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life" (John 8:12). He is Himself the bright and morning Star. He is the Sun of Righteousness, the brightness of His Father's glory. He is the "true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (chap. 1:9). A Physician, a Healer, He came to restore the moral image of God that was lost by transgression. {TDG 357.4} Blessings, Green Cochoa. Was not Satan the light-bearer, the sharer of God's glory in heaven, and next to Jesus in power and majesty? In the words of inspiration he is described as one who seals up "the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty." [Ezekiel 28:12.] The prophet says, "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering. . . . Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. . . . Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more." [Ezekiel 28:13-15, 17-19.] {CE 72.1}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
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12/17/13 04:16 PM
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The Great Controversy
A compassionate Creator, in yearning pity for Lucifer and his followers, was seeking to draw them back from the abyss of ruin into which they were about to plunge. But His mercy was misinterpreted. Lucifer pointed to the long-suffering of God as an evidence of his own superiority, an indication that the King of the universe would yet accede to his terms. If the angels would stand firmly with him, he declared, they could yet gain all that they desired. He persistently defended his own course, and fully committed himself to the great controversy against his Maker. Thus it was that Lucifer, "the light bearer," the sharer of God's glory, the attendant of His throne, by transgression became Satan, "the adversary" of God and holy beings and the destroyer of those whom Heaven had committed to his guidance and guardianship. {PP 39.2}
Lucifer, LIGHT BEARER, SHARER of GOD'S GLORY! This was Satan before the fall.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
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12/17/13 05:15 PM
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The Great Controversy
A compassionate Creator, in yearning pity for Lucifer and his followers, was seeking to draw them back from the abyss of ruin into which they were about to plunge. But His mercy was misinterpreted. Lucifer pointed to the long-suffering of God as an evidence of his own superiority, an indication that the King of the universe would yet accede to his terms. If the angels would stand firmly with him, he declared, they could yet gain all that they desired. He persistently defended his own course, and fully committed himself to the great controversy against his Maker. Thus it was that Lucifer, "the light bearer," the sharer of God's glory, the attendant of His throne, by transgression became Satan, "the adversary" of God and holy beings and the destroyer of those whom Heaven had committed to his guidance and guardianship. {PP 39.2}
Lucifer, LIGHT BEARER, SHARER of GOD'S GLORY! This was Satan before the fall. Yet why take out what was clear, and then redirect it to a completely opposite meaning. Did they do it by mistake, Hmmmmmmm I dont think so................
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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
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12/17/13 05:34 PM
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Now if you look it seems that the NIV goes out of its way to affect the deity of Christ. We see how the NIV expresses John 1:18 and John 3:16 to present the possibility of there being more than one God and to drop the term "begotten" from these important verses:
New International Version
John 1:18 (NIV)
18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
It seems there are two Gods expressed here. You will notice that the NIV takes every opportunity to attack the doctrine of the Godhead and come up with some other god. The King James Bible has a doctrinally accurate expression of this verse.
John 1:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
The term "begotten" is important in identifying that Jesus as part of the Godhead, and not another god. Now look at the changes in the verse, John 3:16. You can readily see the creep away from true understanding to the dangers such as Arianism, in changing "the only begotten Son".
New International Version
John 3:16 (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
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12/17/13 05:37 PM
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Rick - it is still clear. Satan was the LIGHT BEARER. And it is not the opposite meaning. Satan was (past tense) the morning star, the light bearer, Lucifer. This is what Isaiah 14 is staying!
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
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Considering the Bible calls Jesus the "Morning Star," and we want to have Jesus in our lives, it is blasphemous for the NIV translators to presume to give this title to Jesus' enemy. I want Jesus. I do not want Lucifer in my life. "He that overcometh, . . . I will give him the Morning Star," "and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God: . . . and I will write upon him My new name." Verses 26-28; 3:12. {MH 516.3} Do you want to be given Satan, the Great Deceiver in place of Jesus Christ? Satan may try to present himself as Christ, but he can but be a false christ. The NIV translators have helped to present the Fallen One as though he were in the position of Christ, the light of the world. But Lucifer has never been a light to this world. Blessings, Green Cochoa. Amen, the Holy Spirit has given you a gift in clarity of words my brother.
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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
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12/17/13 05:55 PM
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Considering the Bible calls Jesus the "Morning Star," and we want to have Jesus in our lives, it is blasphemous for the NIV translators to presume to give this title to Jesus' enemy. I want Jesus. I do not want Lucifer in my life. "He that overcometh, . . . I will give him the Morning Star," "and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God: . . . and I will write upon him My new name." Verses 26-28; 3:12. {MH 516.3} Do you want to be given Satan, the Great Deceiver in place of Jesus Christ? Satan may try to present himself as Christ, but he can but be a false christ. The NIV translators have helped to present the Fallen One as though he were in the position of Christ, the light of the world. But Lucifer has never been a light to this world. Blessings, Green Cochoa. Amen, the Holy Spirit has given you a gift in clarity of words my brother. Clarity? - - Satan WAS the light bearer. To deny this brings darkness.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
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12/17/13 11:03 PM
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APL, There is a distinction between "light bearer" and "Morning Star." I have no problem with the fact that Lucifer was a light bearer. So may we all be. Joseph was a light bearer in Egypt. Not to the people of Egypt alone, but to all the nations connected with that powerful kingdom, God manifested Himself through Joseph. He desired to make him a light bearer to all peoples, and He placed him next the throne of the world's greatest empire, that the heavenly illumination might extend far and near. {CC 78.3} But Joseph is never called the "Morning Star." Consider the spirit of prophecy as represented by the moon. This "lesser light" can only reflect what it has received from the sun, the greater light. Jesus is that sun, that Morning Star, which rises to light our planet every morning. All of God's prophets speak that which they have received of God. They reflect, as the moon, the light of the Morning Star. Lucifer used to reflect that too. But he never originated that light. All truth originates with God. It's a shame that some Bible translators are so careless and indistinct in their utterances as to muddy up the water of life. They have sown tares. An Enemy hath done this. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
Last edited by Green Cochoa; 12/17/13 11:05 PM. Reason: Corrected typos
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Bible Doctrines affected by Modern Versions
[Re: kland]
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12/17/13 11:07 PM
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After doing some research on this, I stand corrected, as it seems that they didn't change it in their Bible, however, they do leave out the 2nd one in their list and make two out of the last one. Here's their link that shows this:http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htmHere's another interesting link that shows the difference in the Roman Catholic Church's list from the Protestant Church's list:http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommandments.htmAs they didn't really change it in their own Bible, what they have done could be discussed in detail in another thread. What was their change of the Ten Commandments? Could you list it?
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