APL,

There is a distinction between "light bearer" and "Morning Star." I have no problem with the fact that Lucifer was a light bearer. So may we all be. Joseph was a light bearer in Egypt.



But Joseph is never called the "Morning Star." Consider the spirit of prophecy as represented by the moon. This "lesser light" can only reflect what it has received from the sun, the greater light. Jesus is that sun, that Morning Star, which rises to light our planet every morning. All of God's prophets speak that which they have received of God. They reflect, as the moon, the light of the Morning Star. Lucifer used to reflect that too. But he never originated that light. All truth originates with God.

It's a shame that some Bible translators are so careless and indistinct in their utterances as to muddy up the water of life. They have sown tares. An Enemy hath done this.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green, you seem to be having a hard time with thinking through this. What about "another than Joshua" do you not understand?

How is Joshua translated into Greek?

If you look in the NIV, you will find it has taken out something that clearly changes understanding, as it takes out a key name, Lucifer, for this term for Satan does not appear on its pages.

Ellen White was quoting others in referring to Wycliffe. This is why she put the term in quotations marks, which you appear not to have noticed. She points out in doing so that Wycliffe's role in the reformation movement was one of prominence. She is not giving Wycliffe that title.

Of course, feel free to believe what you want.

I'm not the one confusing Joshua with Jesus. Again, that is a translation in Hebrews that is questionable. Of course, just like the tactics of those who support naturalistic evolution, errors can still be used to support other errors--and this works to persuade some people.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

n the fourteenth century arose in England the “morning-star of the Reformation.” John Wycliffe was the herald of reform, not for England alone, but for all Christendom. The great protest against Rome which it was permitted him to utter, was never to be silenced. That protest opened the struggle which was to result in the emancipation of individuals, of churches, and of nations. {GC88 79.3}

In the fourteenth century arose in England the "morning star of the Reformation." John Wycliffe was the herald of reform, not for England alone, but for all Christendom. The great protest against Rome which it was permitted him to utter was never to be silenced. That protest opened the struggle which was to result in the emancipation of individuals, of churches, and of nations. {GC 80.1}

In the fourteenth century arose in England the "morning star of the Reformation." John Wycliffe was the herald of reform, not for England alone, but for all Christendom. He was the progenitor of the Puritans; his era was an oasis in the desert. {4SP 86.1}

In the fourteenth century arose in England the "morning star of the Reformation." John Wycliffe was the herald of reform, not for England alone, but for all Christendom. He was the progenitor of the Puritans; his era was an oasis in the desert. {SR 336.2}

The Shekinah had departed from the sanctuary, but in the Child of Bethlehem was veiled the glory before which angels bow. This unconscious babe was the promised seed, to whom the first altar at the gate of Eden pointed. This was Shiloh, the peace giver. It was He who declared Himself to Moses as the I AM. It was He who in the pillar of cloud and of fire had been the guide of Israel. This was He whom seers had long foretold. He was the Desire of all nations, the Root and the Offspring of David, and the Bright and Morning Star. The name of that helpless little babe, inscribed in the roll of Israel, declaring Him our brother, was the hope of fallen humanity. The child for whom the redemption money had been paid was He who was to pay the ransom for the sins of the whole world. He was the true "high priest over the house of God," the head of "an unchangeable priesthood," the intercessor at "the right hand of the Majesty on high." Hebrews 10:21; 7:24; 1:3. {DA 52.3}

"He that overcometh, . . . I will give him the Morning Star," "and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God: . . . and I will write upon him My new name." Verses 26-28; 3:12. {MH 516.3}

There is a great work to be done, and every effort possible must be made to reveal Christ as the sin-pardoning Saviour, Christ as the Sin Bearer, Christ as the bright and morning Star; and the Lord will give us favor before the world until our work is done. {6T 20.3}

Every true believer catches the beams from the Morning Star and transmits the light to those who sit in darkness. Not only do they shine amid the darkness of their own neighborhood, but as a church they shine forth to regions beyond. The Lord expects every man to do his duty. Every one who unites with the church is to be one with Christ to diffuse the beams of the Morning Star, and becoming the light of the world, Christ and His people are to be copartners in the great work of saving the world.-- Manuscript 51, Nov. 14, 1894. {TDG 327.5}