Stan, can you name one Catholic who claims they worship the sun or satan by going to church on Sunday?


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Or were you responding to the title?

Johann, one claim you seem to imply to me is that you think Ellen White supports the way most people celebrate Christmas today. All the quotes I know of, show a much different view. Is there one of them you'd like to discuss? No?

Wondering why there haven't been any further responses to the last post or two here?

Perhaps references reviewed revealed reflections reversed?

Satan Claus

Oops, a switch of the lettering?

While there may have been a bishop named "Nicholas" who helped the poor, that wasn't where the name came from. (Sant-Ni-Klaus) and "Kriss Kringle" are from the German word, "Christ Krindl" or Christ Child - a counterfeit Christ.

The Egyptian god, Bes, and the Roman god, Saturn, may be familiar as a short rotund god who gave gifts to children, who lived in the far north making toys for them.

When the dutch children came to America and brought their ancient Catholic customs with them, the English children also wanted a visit from a heavenly visitor such as their Sinter Klaas. But the idea of having a Catholic saint and bishop was repulsive to the parents so they changed the date from December 5 to Christmas and introduced a change in the character.

The pagan god, Thor, of whom Thursday is named, from ancient German mythology is described as a god of the peasants, and elderly man, jovial and friendly, of heavy build, with a long white beard. He drove a chariot pulled by two white goats, Cracker and Gnasher. He lived in the Northland, fighting the giants of ice and snow. He a friendly and helpful god and being the god of fire, the fireplace of every home was sacred to him as that was where he entered the home by coming down the chimney.

No, I make no such claim. But that does not mean that we need to refrain from "celebrating" Christmas the way Ellen White suggests, does it? Some posters here seemed to reject what Ellen says about Christmas as if her recommendations are equal to following pagan customs. I want to emphasize that Ellen White was not a pagan.

Guess I'm not one of them. For some reason I thought you were implying I was. Not sure why you brought it up. Maybe you know some others who disagree with Ellen White's recommendations. I agree with what Ellen White says how we should "celebrate" Christmas. I disagree with how the majority of our churches and in our churches celebrate Christmas. They do reject what Ellen White says. But they do follow pagan customs.

Mistletoe

Mistletoe was considered sacred to the sun and was used at the re-birth of the sun and the winter solstice.

Mistletoe was also a sacred plant of the Druids in Britain. So sacred was this plant that when enemies happened to meet beneath it in the forest, they would lay down their arms, exchange a friendly greeting, and keep a truce until the next day.

After Britain converted to Christianity, the bishops banned the pagan practice. Except at York where a priest brought it in and laid claim that it was a symbol of Christ. The people of England then adapted mistletoe as a decoration for their homes, and the paganism was soon forgotten.

Too bad much of the holiday is celebrated without Jesus.

True. And while each day should be celebrated with Jesus, the question is, should Mithra be celebrated? Otherwise, in like manner, that is to say, should Sunday be celebrated with Jesus?