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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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12/24/13 03:09 PM
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The end of all things is at hand. God will not much longer bear with the crimes and debasing iniquity of the children of men. Their sins have reached unto heaven, and will soon be answered by the fearful plagues of God upon the earth. They will drink the cup of his wrath, unmixed with mercy. {CTBH 155.2}
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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12/24/13 03:12 PM
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"By his power he had controlled cities and nations until their sin provoked the wrath of God to destroy them by fire, water, earthquakes, sword, famine, and pestilence. " {Con 34.2}
In the first death there are many ways the WRATH of God is appeased, but they always end in the death of the wicked.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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At the second coming the same effect of the wrath of God is felt that will overwhelm the wicked in the second death.
"Riches, power, genius, eloquence, pride, perverted reason, and passion are enlisted as Satan’s agents in doing his work in making the broad road attractive, strewing it with tempting flowers. But every word they have spoken against the world’s Redeemer will be reflected back upon them, and will one day burn into their guilty souls like molten lead. They will be overwhelmed with terror and shame as they behold the exalted One coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Then shall the bold defier, who lifted himself up against the Son of God, see himself in the true blackness of his character. The sight of the inexpressible glory of the Son of God will be intensely painful to those whose characters are stained with sin. The pure light and glory emanating from Christ will awaken remorse, shame, and terror. They will send forth wails of anguish to the rocks and mountains, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” {Con 87.1}
So with Jesus coming in the clouds of glory the wicked behold the wrath of the Lamb through seeing the blackness of their souls in comparison. The perfect extension of the Wrath of God.
This is the wrath of God. Seeing the shame that our sins brought upon the earth and feeling the effects of God's anger towards our sins. The death that comes is after the wrath has expunged itself of the anger and hatred God has against sin.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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12/24/13 03:31 PM
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Here's another point.
"Satan rushes into the midst of his followers and tries to stir up the multitude to action. But fire from God out of heaven is rained upon them, and the great men, and mighty men, the noble, the poor and miserable, are all consumed together. I saw that some were quickly destroyed, while others suffered longer. They were punished according to the deeds done in the body. Some were many days consuming, and just as long as there was a portion of them unconsumed, all the sense of suffering remained. Said the angel, “The worm of life shall not die; their fire shall not be quenched as long as there is the least particle for it to prey upon.” {EW 294.1}
If death is swollowed up by the second death then who is doing the tormenting of the wicked here? Is it Satan or God?
You really need to be careful how you answer this APL, you are being judged right now.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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12/24/13 03:37 PM
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APL,
Do you know what "stand toward" is?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. I'm sure there is a greenism for it. As you have said in the past, God destroys by Active Execution. Of course the EGW quote says that God is not the executioner. Oh, oh! I know! I know! It's not that God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression but that God personally executes the sinner for transgressing! How's that for one!
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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But if you cannot distinguish between right and wrong, then isn't it you who has put God on the same level as Hitler?
Suppose there was a non-biased third party. Suppose there existed someone like a martian. How would you explain to him that what God does is "right" but when Hitler or satan does the exact same thing, it is "wrong". This is how I would explain it. Using the words of my Prophet. Yes, and how would you explain to him that what God does is "right" but when Hitler or satan does the exact same thing, it is "wrong"?
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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12/24/13 04:41 PM
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Was Hitler using righteousness to accomplish his goal?
The fact that you persist in writing such a question down shows contempt.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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[quote=jsot]You really need to be careful how you answer this APL, you are being judged right now. [quote] Are we to be afraid of God? Is that what you are saying? Are you trying to scare me to love God? Can love even be commanded? Nope. God is not the one out seeking who He can devour. That is satan. Sin is the problem, not God. Sin will destroy the sinner, not God. We need to be convicted of danger of sin, not the danger of God.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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But if you cannot distinguish between right and wrong, then isn't it you who has put God on the same level as Hitler?
Suppose there was a non-biased third party. Suppose there existed someone like a martian. How would you explain to him that what God does is "right" but when Hitler or satan does the exact same thing, it is "wrong". This is how I would explain it. Using the words of my Prophet. Yes, and how would you explain to him that what God does is "right" but when Hitler or satan does the exact same thing, it is "wrong"? That is the deception. Does God do the same thing as Hitler? Nope. Oh yes, sinners die, but not by execution by God. That to say he does and call it righteous is dark deception.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Of course God does not do the same thing as Hitler.
The motivations of God could never be compared. He has proven His love so perfectly that there is NO EXCUSE for sin.
The execution of judgment is in perfect righteousness, not in the satanic fury but in the righteous wrath of God against satanic fury.
Who died first? Able was killed by his own brother in the spirit of satanic fury. Did God destroy Cain immediately? No, is he marked for destruction? most definately.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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