It's true that God allows sin to reveal its malignant character and natural results. In Jerusalem the many factions in Judea were striving for dominion, some violently agitating to throw off the Romes, others pleading caution and being killed because of it, the fierce passions unleashed and unrestrained by the Holy Spirit caused terrible results. Satan was in control. It was their rebellion that brought the Roman armies against them.

So it will be when Christ leaves the sanctuary and the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from the rejecters of His grace. Sin will reveal the terrible reality of what selfish, power hungry carnal natures will do -- it will be a terrible time.

There is no question on that point.

Also that God is merciful and has done everything possible to save and restore is also wonderful truth.

But why do you make God's judgment upon those who chose to follow the great rebel a sinister thing?

Hebrews 10:26-31 is part of a powerful message of Christ's all sufficient and wonderful ministry for the saving of people. Yet it is a warning of the judgment.
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According to your reasoning Hitler should not have been stopped and God should just step aside -- get out of the way so satan can take over???

Yikes! It's the baby sheep!

Run for your lives!

Heb. 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Rev. 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Wow -- people really equate God's righteous acts with Hitler?
Sounds to me like satan talking, saying, "God has no right to end my reign, I can kill, main and ruin everything God has made and stands for, but God DARE NOT punish or put an end to me or my henchmen or I will accuse Him of being the worst tyrant and the cause of it all.

According to your reasoning Hitler should not have been stopped and God should just step aside -- get out of the way so satan can take over???


To satisfy that outrageous claim, God will withdraw for a short time and everyone will see what a disaster to everything that is just and good allowing Satan full reign will be.
The righteous justice of God in putting a final and complete end to it will be acknowledged by all.

M: It was Jesus who commanded Moses to kill criminals. . . . Sin does not kill sinners. Sinners will die the second death because Jesus will resurrect them, judge them, and then burn them alive in a lake of fire.

A: And there is lies the big question. I guess the problem with sin is that it makes god mad and makes him want to torture and kill sinners. Of course, what is the sentence against transgression? The second death. And EGW says that God is not the executioner of the sentence against transgression, but does what?

God has given in His word decisive evidence that He will punish the transgressors of His law. {GC 539.3}

The severity of the retribution awaiting the transgressor may be judged by the Lord's reluctance to execute justice. {GC 627.2}

Yet when required to execute justice against the wicked king of Amalek, he performed the unwelcome task unflinchingly. {ST, August 31, 1882 par. 19}

Those who engaged in this work of slaying, however painful, were now to realize that they were executing upon their brethren a solemn punishment from God; and for executing this painful work, contrary to their own feelings, God would bestow upon them his blessing. {1SP 251.2}

He who presents himself to the sinner as the One strong to deliver, will prove himself mighty to execute wrath and judgment upon every unrepenting son of Adam. {ST, April 3, 1884 par. 5}

Said the angel, "It is the wrath of God and the Lamb that causes the destruction or death of the wicked. {EW 52.1}

How much less can transgressors look upon the Son of God when He shall appear in the glory of His Father, surrounded by all the heavenly host, to execute judgment upon the transgressors of His law and the rejecters of His atonement. {PP 340.3}

. . . the wrath of an offended God was to be proclaimed against the sinner; but the power which the Roman Church assumes to visit that wrath upon the offender is not established by any direction of Christ; he himself will execute the sentence pronounced against the impenitent. {3SP 245.1}

The arm, long stretched, strong to save all who come unto Him, is strong to execute His judgment upon all who would not come unto Him that they might have life. {TMK 356.4}

The death of Christ clears this all up.

If you believe that Christ died the death that a sinner will die, then you have your answer as to how sinners die.

I guess you must believe hell will be littered with crosses as thick as forest trees.

Of course, that is not what the Bible tells us. The Bible does mention Sodom and Gomorrah as being an example to us of hell. Were those people crucified?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.