APL, fire from the presence of Jesus in the most holy place blazed out and killed Nadab and Abihu:


Do you think Jesus withdrew His restraining hand and fire acted in and of itself and killed Nadab and Abihu?

Yes, they when where they could not go! Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for man shall not see me and live. They went into the sanctuary without the protection of the incense. In this case it they entered into God’s presence with their own fire, their own righteousness, which cannot endure before Him.

This is also interesting fire! What to you does it mean they were "consumed"? Leviticus 10:4-5 And Moses called Mishael and Elzaphan, the sons of Uzziel the uncle of Aaron, and said unto them, Come near, carry your brethren from before the sanctuary out of the camp. 5 So they went near, and carried them in their coats out of the camp; as Moses had said.

Interesting fire indeed. Their coats were intact.

You interpret these verses from a human emotion, that God must acts as we do. You read that God sent the fiery serpents to mean exactly that and blow off the idea that this is a human description of the event! When we KNOW that God did not send the serpents, but removed His protection. You blow off EGW comments which says God destroys no man, that God is not the executioner. You blow off scripture references such as Deuteronomy 32! There is cause and effect in action. Men reject God and long and persistent enough, as GC36 says, God withdraws and lets men have what they want, which will be death.

You blow off the idea that God did not want Israel to fight as shown in the Bible and EGW. Perhaps it is your association with the military that has blinded you? I don't know your background. It is hard to find that our human ways are so contrary to God's law, when it is so accepted by human law.

That is a lie. You are misquoting God's messenger.

She said "We cannot know how much we owe to Christ for the peace and protection which we enjoy (In this life). It is the restraining power of God that prevents mankind from passing fully under the control of Satan. The disobedient and unthankful have great reason for gratitude for God’s mercy and long-suffering in holding in check the cruel, malignant power of the evil one. But when men pass the limits of divine forbearance (past probation), that restraint is removed. (AFTER PROBATION, BEFORE THE DEATH OF THE WICKED) God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown." {GC 36.1}

This quote is specifically for the end of probation in this life. But what about those who after probation are still alive when He returns or at the seocnd resurrection? They are slain by the wrath of the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

"At the coming of Christ the wicked are destroyed by the brightness of His glory. Christ takes His people to the city of God, and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. “Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. ... The land shall be utterly emptied and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word ... because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned.” Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6. {HF 397.2}

"For six thousand years the great controversy has been in progress; the Son of God and His heavenly messengers have been in conflict with the power of the evil one, to warn, enlighten, and save the children of men. Now all have made their decisions (close of probation); the wicked have fully united with Satan in his warfare against God. The time has come for God to vindicate the authority of His downtrodden law. Now the controversy is not alone with Satan, but with men. “The Lord hath a controversy with the nations”; “He will give them that are wicked to the sword.” {Mar 296.2}
The mark of deliverance has been set upon those “that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done.” Now the angel of death goes forth, represented in Ezekiel’s vision by the men with the slaughtering weapons, to whom the command is given: “Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary.” Says the prophet: “They began at the ancient men which were before the house.” Ezekiel 9:1-6. The work of destruction begins among those who have professed to be the spiritual guardians of the people. The false watchmen are the first to fall. There are none to pity or to spare. Men, women, maidens, and little children perish together. {Mar 296.3}
“The Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” Isaiah 26:21.... In the mad strife of their own fierce passions, and by the awful outpouring of God’s unmingled wrath, fall the wicked inhabitants of the earth—priests, rulers, and people, rich and poor, high and low. “And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried.” Jeremiah 25:33. {Mar 296.4}

This quote says like I have been saying all along that there is two elements to the destruction of the wicked, the tumult of their "mad strife of their own fierce passions, and by the awful outpouring of God’s unmingled wrath".

APL You have outright neglected every quote using direct statements that God does execute judgment. So in essence you do not see harmony between the statements that you missapply to God's impotence and the other quotes that directly say Jesus is both the lamb of God and the Lion of Judah. You mocked me saying "Yeah, lets fear the wrath of the lamb" and when I proved through the testimonies that He is also the Lion of Judah to the impenatent, you don't even look at it, like you are wilfully blinded to those statements. I have seen this before so much in the church.

"I was shown that the seven last plagues will be poured out after Jesus leaves the sanctuary. Said the angel, “It is the wrath of God and the Lamb that causes the destruction or death of the wicked. At the voice of God the saints will be mighty and terrible as an army with banners, but they will not then execute the judgment written. The execution of the judgment will be at the close of the one thousand years.” {EW 52.1}

APL you are so convicted that you are correct, there is no hope for you on this subject.

Here is a warning directly for you APL, and everyone else who thinks they are being led by God to teach lies...

"Now the angel of death goes forth, represented in Ezekiel’s vision by the men with the slaughtering weapons, to whom the command is given: “Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary.” “They began at the ancient men which were before the house,” those who professed to be the spiritual guardians of the people. Ezekiel 9:6. {HF 396.4}
False watchmen are the first to fall. “The Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” “A great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor.” Isaiah 26:21; Zechariah 14:13. {HF 396.5}
In the mad strife of their own fierce passions and by the outpouring of God’s unmingled wrath, fall wicked priests, rulers, and people. “And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other.” Jeremiah 25:33. {HF 397.1}

And what about the plagues? Are you saying that they are poured out by demons? You need to repent APL.

"And “the rivers and fountains of waters ... became blood.” Terrible as these inflictions are, God’s justice stands fully vindicated. The angel of God declares: “Thou art righteous, O Lord, ... because Thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and Thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy” (Revelation 16:2-6). By condemning the people of God to death, they have as truly incurred the guilt of their blood as if it had been shed by their hands.—The Great Controversy, 628 (1911). {LDE 245.2}

If you look carefully at this ONE statement you would see how they destroy themselves by condemning God's people but it is executed by the righteous angels.

Here is another perfect quote to prove God executes the judgment...

"To sin, wherever found, “our God is a consuming fire.” Hebrews 12:29. In all who submit to His power the Spirit of God will consume sin. But if men cling to sin, they become identified with it. Then the glory of God, which destroys sin, must destroy them. Jacob, after his night of wrestling with the Angel, exclaimed, “I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” Genesis 32:30. Jacob had been guilty of a great sin in his conduct toward Esau; but he had repented. His transgression had been forgiven, and his sin purged; therefore he could endure the revelation of God’s presence. But wherever men came before God while willfully cherishing evil, they were destroyed. At the second advent of Christ the wicked shall be consumed “with the Spirit of His mouth,” and destroyed “with the brightness of His coming.” 2 Thessalonians 2:8. The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. {DA 107.4}

How can you possibly look at this quote and not see the ballance between the statements? In all humillity, in the name of Jesus, APL you need to repent of teaching a lie about the character of God. In everything God is telling me, what you are doing is the worst thing you could do claiming to be in the service of God.

The firey pillar was safety to the People of God, but it was terror to the wicked. You need to see this now or you will SEE IT later.

"When the destroying angel was about to pass through the land of Egypt, and smite the first-born of both man and beast, the Israelites were directed to bring their children into the house with them, and to strike the door-post with blood, and none were to go out of the house; for all that were found among the Egyptians would be destroyed with them. Suppose an Israelite had neglected to place the sign of blood upon his door, saying that the angel of God would be able to distinguish between the Hebrews and the Egyptians; would the heavenly sentinels have stood to guard that dwelling? We should take this lesson to ourselves. Again the destroying angel is to pass through the land. There is to be a mark placed upon God’s people, and that mark is the keeping of his holy Sabbath. We are not to follow our own will and judgment, and flatter ourselves that God will come to our terms. God tests our faith by giving us some part to act in connection with his interposition in our behalf. To those who comply with the conditions, his promises will be fulfilled; but all that venture to depart from his instructions, to follow a way of their own choosing, will perish with the wicked when his judgments are visited upon the earth. {HS 217.1}

But of course you would say that the destroying angel is Satan wouldn't you?