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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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It is a miracle how the Word of God has been preserved, Rosangela. We must be grateful for what He has given us.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/02/14 06:16 AM
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Yes, God preserved His Word --
It is amazing that there are not greater alterations --
However, I have found time and again that it is more difficult to prove our doctrines from the newer versions than from Bibles based on the received text.
Don't other languages also have Bibles from the received manuscripts in their history --
Do you think it is about time we start asking that people have the received text Bible in their own language? Whether it is in Japanese, or Swahili or Romanian or Russian, it's not about them believing in the King James Bible, but whether they have Bibles following the received text or the adulterated critical text.
I am aware that many of these languages don’t have a good Bible available. And the other Bibles are better than none at all. But I would think it should be the burden of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to seek for and get Bibles based on the received text in different languages. Certainly we should support those who are trying to provide a good Received Text Bible in their language.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/02/14 06:18 AM
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Take the Sabbath doctrine for example --
It is more difficult to prove from the newer versions.
Sure it's still in the old Testament in the critical text Bibles, and even the new testament shows the Jewish people still keeping the Sabbath.
But the issues we face out there is the claim that when the gospel went to the Gentiles the Sabbath went out the window along with the Jewish festivals and was no longer required by Gentiles. The only laws still applicable according to many Christians, are the laws specifically mentioned in the New Testament.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/02/14 06:45 AM
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The sanctuary --
I still remember the time I had a talk on the sanctuary and my "scripture reading text" was
Ps. 77:13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?
The person doing the scripture reading got up and read:
"Your way, O God, is holy;
What god is great like our God?"
Oh sure one can find other sanctuary texts, yet I find this happening to me quite often -- a text that I know says one thing but when I need it to show someone, and they are using newer translations, the text is different projecting a different meaning.
Then there is Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Those verses clearly show Paul being addressed to preach to GENTILES the next Sabbath, which He does.
But that completely disappears in the new versions. I remember talking to one person and wanting to show them these verses AND I COULD NOT FIND THEM because it was a NIV.
Why? Because it was a completely different rendering --
"As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath."
Easily written off as just a bunch of Jews keeping the Sabbath and Paul -- well of course if he meets with Jews will do so on the Sabbath.
BUT the KJV clearly shows GENTILES begging Paul to come and preach to THEM, on the next Sabbath.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/02/14 09:40 AM
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Yes, God preserved His Word --
It is amazing that there are not greater alterations --
However, I have found time and again that it is more difficult to prove our doctrines from the newer versions than from Bibles based on the received text.
Don't other languages also have Bibles from the received manuscripts in their history --
Do you think it is about time we start asking that people have the received text Bible in their own language? Whether it is in Japanese, or Swahili or Romanian or Russian, it's not about them believing in the King James Bible, but whether they have Bibles following the received text or the adulterated critical text.
I am aware that many of these languages don’t have a good Bible available. And the other Bibles are better than none at all. But I would think it should be the burden of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to seek for and get Bibles based on the received text in different languages. Certainly we should support those who are trying to provide a good Received Text Bible in their language.
Amen, amen, amen! Well said. Oh, how I wish we had better Bibles here. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/02/14 09:41 AM
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Take the Sabbath doctrine for example --
It is more difficult to prove from the newer versions.
Sure it's still in the old Testament in the critical text Bibles, and even the new testament shows the Jewish people still keeping the Sabbath.
But the issues we face out there is the claim that when the gospel went to the Gentiles the Sabbath went out the window along with the Jewish festivals and was no longer required by Gentiles. The only laws still applicable according to many Christians, are the laws specifically mentioned in the New Testament. It is impossible to prove from the NIV that the Sabbath is to be kept from sundown to sundown (even unto even). They mangled that verse royally. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/02/14 01:02 PM
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The sanctuary --
I still remember the time I had a talk on the sanctuary and my "scripture reading text" was
Ps. 77:13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?
The person doing the scripture reading got up and read:
"Your way, O God, is holy;
What god is great like our God?"
Oh sure one can find other sanctuary texts, yet I find this happening to me quite often -- a text that I know says one thing but when I need it to show someone, and they are using newer translations, the text is different projecting a different meaning.
Then there is Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Those verses clearly show Paul being addressed to preach to GENTILES the next Sabbath, which He does.
But that completely disappears in the new versions. I remember talking to one person and wanting to show them these verses AND I COULD NOT FIND THEM because it was a NIV.
Why? Because it was a completely different rendering --
"As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath."
Easily written off as just a bunch of Jews keeping the Sabbath and Paul -- well of course if he meets with Jews will do so on the Sabbath.
BUT the KJV clearly shows GENTILES begging Paul to come and preach to THEM, on the next Sabbath. This can be a problem when your proof text is just one verse, and a verse that is contested. Just keep reading. Acts 13:44-45 NIV On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45 When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him. Who is included in "the whole city"? Just the Jews? The next verse shows that it not the case. This is from the NIV.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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01/02/14 01:07 PM
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Take the Sabbath doctrine for example --
It is more difficult to prove from the newer versions.
Sure it's still in the old Testament in the critical text Bibles, and even the new testament shows the Jewish people still keeping the Sabbath.
But the issues we face out there is the claim that when the gospel went to the Gentiles the Sabbath went out the window along with the Jewish festivals and was no longer required by Gentiles. The only laws still applicable according to many Christians, are the laws specifically mentioned in the New Testament. It is impossible to prove from the NIV that the Sabbath is to be kept from sundown to sundown (even unto even). They mangled that verse royally. Blessings, Green Cochoa. What is the definition of a day? Use all the text on the topic. Here is one! Genesis 1:5 NIV God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
[Re: APL]
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01/02/14 01:40 PM
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Take the Sabbath doctrine for example --
It is more difficult to prove from the newer versions.
Sure it's still in the old Testament in the critical text Bibles, and even the new testament shows the Jewish people still keeping the Sabbath.
But the issues we face out there is the claim that when the gospel went to the Gentiles the Sabbath went out the window along with the Jewish festivals and was no longer required by Gentiles. The only laws still applicable according to many Christians, are the laws specifically mentioned in the New Testament. It is impossible to prove from the NIV that the Sabbath is to be kept from sundown to sundown (even unto even). They mangled that verse royally. Blessings, Green Cochoa. What is the definition of a day? Use all the text on the topic. Here is one! Genesis 1:5 NIV God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day. So has the NIV persuaded you to change your Sabbath doctrine? If the Sabbath "day" is holy, and that is only the "light" portion of a 24-hour period, you are in a different category of Sabbath keeper. My Bible--and the one which follows the true, unadulterated text--says "from even unto even shall ye celebrate your sabbath." That includes the night portion as well as the daylight portion. In the NIV, however, this doctrine is no longer provable. Considering that the Sabbath commandment is one of the Ten, it surely follows that the NIV / adulterated text / Codex Vaticanus / Codex Sinaiticus / Minority Text / virtually all modern English translations are part of the product of the entity who will "think to change times and laws," for the Sabbath is both a time and a law. NOTE: I know of no text in scripture that says we are to keep the "Sabbath night" holy. The Majority Text / Received Text informs us correctly, however, that the Sabbath is from evening to evening. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
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We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/02/14 03:15 PM
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Leviticus 23:32 NIV It is a day of sabbath rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath."
Leviticus 23:32 KJV It shall be to you a sabbath of rest, and you shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even to even, shall you celebrate your sabbath.
Do you see a difference here?
Genesis 1:5 NIV God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
Genesis 1:5 KJV And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And where do you get off saying I only observe the time when the sun is shining?????
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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