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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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kland, Would you like a few examples of what revisions are being made? Perhaps you would like to identify some of my "pet English words." Here are a few examples. | KJV | Revision |
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| Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? | Why is it that you ask for my name? | | Doth not your master... | Does your master not... | | Considerest thou not... | Do you not consider... | | The LORD was entreated of him... | The LORD heard his petition... | | ...he doth judge and make war... | ...he judges and makes war... | | etc. |
If you have any special concerns, please feel free to let me know. Blessings, Green Cochoa. Hm - - KJV Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest... KJV Heb 4:8(margin) For if Joshua had given them rest...
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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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kland,
How do modern ancient Greek and Hebrew scholars come by their knowledge? Is it not by the study of books and the words of modern "experts" who tell them what those words used to mean? Obviously, no one in the world today is a first-hand expert (native speaker) of ancient Greek or Hebrew. No one. The same tools that modern scholars use to become familiar with the ancient biblical languages are, in a great degree, available to any English speaker today. I have tools I use to check any words that are substantive and where a change is made beyond that of modernized grammar or orthography.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. Green! WHO made the tools that you use???? Certainly not modern scholars, right????
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/08/14 07:29 AM
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Hm - -
KJV Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest...
KJV Heb 4:8(margin) For if Joshua had given them rest...
Yeshua --the name is rendered Jesus or Joshua, so one must look to context as to whether it is referring to Joshua (the one who took Moses place) or Jesus our Savior. The name is actually the same.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/08/14 07:38 AM
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The KJV translates the name consistently, and is upheld by Mrs. White. No need for any revision here.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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Hm - -
KJV Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest...
KJV Heb 4:8(margin) For if Joshua had given them rest...
Yeshua --the name is rendered Jesus or Joshua, so one must look to context as to whether it is referring to Joshua (the one who took Moses place) or Jesus our Savior. The name is actually the same. Yep. And it is a sticky point for green.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/08/14 07:15 PM
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kland,
Would you like a few examples of what revisions are being made? Perhaps you would like to identify some of my "pet English words." Here are a few examples.
Green, will you STOP with your nonsensical English word quibbling. It's very annoying. Show some depth. Dig deeper. Show how the manuscripts are different rather than whether a version uses your pet English words. Yet you insist on doing it.... I have tools I use to check any words that are substantive and where a change is made beyond that of modernized grammar or orthography.
But you're talking English words yet again. Are your tools making a difference in what the manuscripts say. Did you think that?
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/08/14 07:18 PM
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The KJV translates the name consistently, and is upheld by Mrs. White. No need for any revision here.
Not! Not upheld by Mrs. White! Uh, Green, what about "another than Joshua" do you not understand?
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/09/14 01:14 AM
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kland,
Would you like a few examples of what revisions are being made? Perhaps you would like to identify some of my "pet English words." Here are a few examples.
Green, will you STOP with your nonsensical English word quibbling. It's very annoying. Show some depth. Dig deeper. Show how the manuscripts are different rather than whether a version uses your pet English words. Yet you insist on doing it.... I have tools I use to check any words that are substantive and where a change is made beyond that of modernized grammar or orthography.
But you're talking English words yet again. Are your tools making a difference in what the manuscripts say. Did you think that? kland, Are you a Greek and Hebrew expert? Do you even read those languages at all? If not, I don't suppose posting Hebrew and Greek here, as you appear to require, would actually benefit. I could post Sanskrit with as little benefit. English is the language of this forum. The differences in the manuscripts have made their appearance in English. Those differences are easily seen and recognized here. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/09/14 01:15 AM
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The KJV translates the name consistently, and is upheld by Mrs. White. No need for any revision here.
Not! Not upheld by Mrs. White! Uh, Green, what about "another than Joshua" do you not understand? Who is "another than Joshua," kland? Please tell us who that is. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Battle of the Bibles by Walter Veith
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01/09/14 10:19 PM
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Green, why don't you list the scripture, list what Ellen White says, and then see if it makes sense to you who another than Joshua it is?
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