Apparently, it is false:

Snopes

Yes - I've already been over that article by Francis on another group. Satire. Hopefully dedication did not fall for it! Rome never changes.

As to MM's assertion that I have not acknowledged that God will burn alive sinners, EGW has shown that God is not the executioner. So your interpretation must include that. You refuse include all statements on the end. You do not see how the judgement is Good News!

You're right -- there was no Vatican III meetings and the pope did not make that statement -- it is satire. It never happened.

However, what is satire?
Satires are usually based on some truth.

"Satire is funny because it takes a grain of truth and does something to showcase what is terrible or perverse or confusing or outrageous about it, whether by making it bigger or smaller or more black-and-white or more grey. Satires are pretend. Although based in some truth, they are intentionally outlandish to make a point. They say, “see, if you extend the logic of x idea, or practice, or system of thought, you’ll end up with this.” But in real life, x idea does not extend that far." - See more at: here

So has Pope Francis made comments that gave these satirists a grain of truth to build their satire and make it appear the Pope is in agreement with their idea of the "ideal"?

There seems to be evidence that the pope has made statements implying people who take a strong stand against the gay movement, abortion, and other fundamental Biblical points have a serious illness and are dangerous to society.

See here

The satire writers have taken those statements to what they consider would be the logical conclusion.

In a way APL (and others before him) have also taken somethings EGW said and "They say, “see, if you extend the logic of x idea, or practice, or system of thought, you’ll end up with this.” But in real life, x idea does not extend that far."


There is a common false idea that God is eagerly noting all our shortcomings and eagerly waiting to destroy all who dare reject His law. They see God a stern, unloving, judge who seeks only his own honor.

EGW writes strongly against the false picture of God. She plainly shows that it is not God's desire that any should be lost, but is lovingly and patiently doing all He can to save. she points out that God's law is NOT just some arbitrary thing by which God seeks His own honor, but that it is the very essence of what makes life wholesome, harmonious, and good, and it is His will that we experience that ideal.

She explains it's the persons own choice in rejecting life that causes them to end up losing life.

However, there is now a whole movement, especially in the west coast of America that has take these thoughts and extended them beyond what they are actually saying. Arguing that the logic of her expressions end up with their interpretation when in reality they do not extend that far, and their interpretation actually contradicts statements where EGW plainly shows she does NOT take it that far.

APL,

I wonder at your inability to grasp the disconnect in what you say. Anyone who opposes truth must necessarily come to a point where he or she contradicts himself or herself. Such appears the case with you.

Previously, you have said sin causes death as its own punishment. In the above, you appear to admit it is God's consuming fire that consumes sin which will be the agent of death.

We agree that sin causes death. But I wonder at your inability to see that sin is not the active agent--for God steps in and reveals His character and glory, thus putting an end to sin once and for all.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

To you Green, sin is not that bad. You said sin causes death, but it is then you say it can't cause death, that God is causing the death, so sin is not the real problem. The righteous live in God's glory, sinners do not. What is the difference? SIN! No sin, no death.

APL, yes, yes, yes. I already know you believe the lake of fire must be interpreted to mean Jesus withdraws and permits punishment. What you haven't done is explain what you believe the lake of fire really is. I know you believe it is "interesting fire" but you have not taken the time to describe it. Please do so. Otherwise your view is a ghost.

"Rome never changes"

Ghosts?

The fire from heaven is the same thing as lightning from heaven. They are the angels of God doing His perfect will like an extension of Himself.

"We are informed in Scripture as to the number, and the power and glory, of the heavenly beings, of their connection with the government of God, and also of their relation to the work of redemption. “The Lord hath prepared His throne in the heavens; and His kingdom ruleth over all.” And, says the prophet, “I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne.” In the presence chamber of the King of kings they wait—“angels, that excel in strength,” “ministers of His, that do His pleasure,” “hearkening unto the voice of His word.” Psalm 103:19-21; Revelation 5:11. Ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands, were the heavenly messengers beheld by the prophet Daniel. The apostle Paul declared them “an innumerable company.” Daniel 7:10; Hebrews 12:22. As God’s messengers they go forth, like “the appearance of a flash of lightning,” (Ezekiel 1:14), so dazzling their glory, and so swift their flight. The angel that appeared at the Saviour’s tomb, his countenance “like lightning, and his raiment white as snow,” caused the keepers for fear of him to quake, and they “became as dead men.” Matthew 28:3, 4. When Sennacherib, the haughty Assyrian, reproached and blasphemed God, and threatened Israel with destruction, “it came to pass that night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand.” There were “cut off all the mighty men of valor, and the leaders and captains,” from the army of Sennacherib. “So he returned with shame of face to his own land.” 2 Kings 19:35; 2 Chronicles 32:21. {GC 511.3}

As lightning flashes from the east so shall the coming of the Son of man come, with billions of heavenly angels they are the fire of God.

"Angels were sent to bring to naught the purpose of the builders... Lightning from heaven as a token of God’s wrath broke off the top of their tower, casting it to the ground. Thus God would show to rebellious man that he is supreme. {3SG 97.1}