You sound as if you have been moved in this response.

I have said the exact same thing over and over. What is a sin? Open rebelion against the law of God. It takes a concience to sin.

Sin is not of itself, it must be accomplished through a person. The sinner is the representative of the sin until repented of.

Sin is destroyed with it's representatives at the end of Atonement. Every unconfessed sin is paid for by the sinner.

So in essence you just agreed with what God has been sharing with me without even realizing it.

We must look to the Atonement to understand the intent of the Father in giving the sanctuary and the sacrifices.

"Some who labor in word and doctrine have not a practical understanding of the law of God and its holy claims, or of the atonement of Christ. They themselves need to be converted before they can convert sinners. {GW92 111.1}

The Atonement demanded death of the sinner, but a sacrifice was made and the sin was transfered to the Mercy seat, and then the record of sin which was building in the most Holy Place was transfered to the head of the scapegoat.

These things must be understood to understand the message of Christ and until you do know these things what would motivate you to teach others?

In case you didn't catch it APL, the Atonement is important because the sinner was responsible for the execution of the daily sacrifices. They where to see themselves taking the life of the Son of God to truly benefit from the exercise of faith.

Then the record of sin was cleansed by the High Priest corporately but individually represented.

Everyones heart was supposed to follow the High Priest into the Most Holy Place in their minds and imagine the process in full graphic image of blood splattered on the gold.

The propitiation is what it is all about, and this means sin is transferable to cleanse us. If we do not repent, then the Glory of the Lord destroys the sinner who stands before Him.

My position has never changed. To sin, wherever found, "our God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29. In all who submit to His power the Spirit of God will consume sin. But if men cling to sin, they become identified with it. Then the glory of God, which destroys sin, must destroy them. Jacob, after his night of wrestling with the Angel, exclaimed, "I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." Genesis 32:30.

This is the natural consequence of sin! God does not have to inflict the penalty of sin. Other here say sin has no intrinsic consequence. The penalty of sin must be inflicted by God. God has to punish sin. Hogwash. Sin destroys. Sin kills. Sin is the problem, not God.

AS to the nature of sin, Satan is constantly trying to misrepresent this. Sin affects not only humans, but ALL LIFE on this planet.

In case you did not catch the significance james, the SINNER caused the death of the sacrifice, not God! Sin killed the Son of God. Sin is the cause of all sickness, disease, and death, not God. Some here do not believe this! They say God inflicts sickness, disease and death. To them, God is the problem! Not sin.

God ownes everything. He is fully beyond anything of earth, but He has a Son who became human.

Jesus had to die for us or we would have to die because we have sinned against God. Wages of sin is death. It does not say the wages of sin is banishment from God, because we were born that way until we accept Christ. The wages of sin is judgment and death. There is a judgment and the execution of justice is death.

Our sin takes away His righteous covering and without it we are destroyed in His presence. Adam made covering of figs because of his nakedness. He was afraid of God because he knew the wages of sin was death. The sentence would have been pronounced and executed that day if Jesus had not stood up for Adam.

Adam was condemned to die that day if Jesus had not presnted Himself a sacrifice.

But Adam confessed his sin and it was transfered to the Mercy seat waiting to be put on the head of the scapegoat who will suffer for Adam's sin.

Jesus is the propitiation, He is righteous, so carrying those sins was most intense to His conscience to the point of death. He literally fell dying to the ground of Gethsemane from suffering the wrath of the Father in carying every sin, but He would have been instantaniously destroyed if He stood with His own sins in front of the Wrath of the Father.

The wages of SIN, is death, Romans 6:23. Sin, when IT is full grown, brings forth death, James 1:15. It does not say, the wages of sin is execution by God. Yes, Jesus was dying in Gethsemane, and the Father did not touch Him. On the cross, did Jesus say, my God, why are you torturing Me? My God, my God, why are you burning Me? NO. He said, My God, my God, why have you FORSAKEN Me. On the cross, He felt the same agony sinners will feel in the end.

What do you mean? Nature doesn't have freewill. Jesus uses it to punish sinners. He doesn't violate freewill when He chooses to punish sinners.


Again, nature is not self-acting.


You have ignored these kinds of passages. And no wonder - they completely contradict your view.

This is yet another issue you have doggedly ignored. Jesus will resurrect sinners, judge them, and then cast them alive in the lake of fire. They will suffer in duration and intensity according to their sinfulness and then die the second death. This is not the death Jesus died when He paid our sin debt of death on the cross. Refusing to deal with these truths only weakens your view. You cannot continue to hide from the truth and expect people to take your view seriously. The lake of fire is real. Deal with it. It will be made up of fire rained down from above and fire raised up from below. The same fire that punishes resurrected sinners is the same fire that will rid the earth of its rubble and rubbish. Literal fire - not symbolic.


The three worthy Hebrews also experienced "interesting fire". It burned the ropes that bound them and the guards who tossed them in the fiery furnace but it did not burn them or even leave a trace of smoke on them. Jesus is in control of nature. He manages the outcome. He employs fire and water to punish sinners.

Jesus managed the fire that blazed out from His presence in the most holy place. He managed it in a way that resulted in punishment. So you see, there is nothing "interesting" about the fire Jesus used to kill Nadab and Abihu. He merely managed fire according to His will, His plan, His purpose. Simple as that.

Wow!
Shocking news!
The theory that God is not the one who condemns....


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