The new versions leave enough to make it seem there is no problem, BUT THEY HAVE taken out the strength of the verses to make it easier to rationalize true doctrine away.


Saying that true doctrines can still be found in the new versions by someone who ALREADY believes it, is true, but it still makes it very, very easy for those who want to believe differently to rationalize the weakened doctrinal truths away.

And believe me -- there are MANY who rationalize these doctrines away and vigorously teach others to do the same.

Even though you come to them with Bible in hand, people will simply tell you, you are reading the Bible through EGW's glasses, as the newer versions have made it easier to rationalize the doctrines away.

OK - so you admit that SDA doctrines can be found in the "modern" versions. How many of these people that rationalize away these doctrines, and going to be open to only use that KJV? If they are that savvy to rationalize away these doctrines, do you expect that they will be open to reading the KJV only? And how about a JW? Are you going to convince them that the KJV is superior to the NWT? Nope. Christ met the people where they were. You are saying the people need to move away from where they are in order to be reached. Good luck!

Green, sometimes, you cause one to suspect you have the hint of intelligence regarding manuscripts. Then there are the majority of the times you devolve into quibbling over English words.

If you are unable to show a difference or show how the manuscripts do not support a version, then please stop quibbling over English words.
It is annoying.

kland,

What words do the majority of English speakers read when they read the Bible? Greek? Hebrew? Nope.

Why should I discuss those? The end result is what they read--and that is English. Yes, the real problem is the faulty manuscript underlying the translation. But in one's first layer of investigation into this, the proverbial "tip of the iceberg" is the first indicator of a deeper problem, and in this case, the surface language of English is the first indicator of the errors in the underlying manuscripts.

I'm not sure why this would be difficult to grasp. I use English on this forum because most here would be excluded from the conversation if I were to use the local language of my residence. However, the local Bibles face the same problem--their translations are poor because they come from the same corrupt manuscripts that all of our modern English translations come from.

Incidentally, I have recently begun a new edition of the Bible. In English. Seeing an accurate translation of the Bible means much to me.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Whoa green!!! Are you writing an accurate translation or an accurate interpretation of the Bible into English? I did not know you were a Hebrew and Greek scholar! Why did you not say so?

Actually there are English Bibles out there that have updated the language but followed the KJV rather precisely.

The Lighthouse or Little Sable Bible

Its objective was to modernize the language but not to be a new translation rather it tries to follow the meaning of the King James Version as much as possible.

I have not checked this Bible out in any thorough manner -- just found it interesting .

He means he hasn't a clue. But he does like certain English words and not others. Therefore, he is taking an old English version, ignoring the manuscripts, and then putting his pet English words into it.

In other words, what I've suspected all along, he doesn't really grasp the issue, whether it is an issue, nor what some are even talking about. But he does like some English words...

'If the Bible doesn't say what you want it to say, rewrite it to say what you want it to say.'

kland,

Would you like a few examples of what revisions are being made? Perhaps you would like to identify some of my "pet English words." Here are a few examples.

KJV	Revision
Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?	Why is it that you ask for my name?
Doth not your master...	Does your master not...
Considerest thou not...	Do you not consider...
The LORD was entreated of him...	The LORD heard his petition...
...he doth judge and make war...	...he judges and makes war...
etc.

If you have any special concerns, please feel free to let me know.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

kland,

How do modern ancient Greek and Hebrew scholars come by their knowledge? Is it not by the study of books and the words of modern "experts" who tell them what those words used to mean? Obviously, no one in the world today is a first-hand expert (native speaker) of ancient Greek or Hebrew. No one. The same tools that modern scholars use to become familiar with the ancient biblical languages are, in a great degree, available to any English speaker today. I have tools I use to check any words that are substantive and where a change is made beyond that of modernized grammar or orthography.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.