ROTFL - - WHO has switched the versions allegiance???? GREEN! Thanks green, made my evening.

APL,

If you think I've switched, you've misunderstood something somewhere. I have not. My allegiance has been and continues to be in the Majority Text. In English, the best translation from the Majority Text is the KJV, but I have never claimed it is a perfect and flawless translation. I have never claimed that the modern versions are always incorrect in their translations either. In fact, the devil gets a greater advantage by mixing truth with error--so they must have some truth in them, or no one would swallow the errors.

I have not changed. But you seem to have done so. I wonder why? If the NIV was good for telling us that all meats are clean, why is it suddenly bad in commanding against murder?

Is murder acceptable in your sight? Honestly, I cannot understand your resistance to this point of truth.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

You do switch when you do not like the interpretation the KJV puts on a verse. You are not a good observer of what I have written. The NIV is not a favorite of mine. But it is for a number of people I interact with. If I were to tell them, your Bible in inferior, that would be a turn off. Work with what you have. Perhaps you have forgotten my question to you about the the JW and their NWT and the divinity of Christ. One sometimes has to work with what they have. I doubt you recall the version that I read and mark up most. Sigh.

You ask, "Is murder acceptable in your sight?". It is this kind of question which is easy to cast doubt onto a person. In reality, I see you as accepting certain kinds of murder as being OK, for my understanding of the term from the Bible and EGW is much more strict than yours such that you don't like how strict it is.

Green said:



Correct.

I'm glad you recognize this truth. Some in this forum do not.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Arrrgh - - I've been waiting for someone to point out Matthew 19:18 in the KJV, but nope, not happen'n. Green focuses on English words. Let me quote it. Matthew 19:18 He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,... Of course this is translated kill in the other Gospels (Gospel - -> GOOD NEWS). The same Greek word is also translated kill and slew in the KJV NT. The big question is what does the commandment actually mean? Matthew 5:21-22 Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire.

Matthew 5:21-22 The Sermon on the Mount: Anger Toward Others
“You have heard that it was said to the people of old, [Literally “ancients”] ‘Do not commit murder,’ [A quotation from Exod 20:13; Deut 5:17] and ‘whoever commits murder will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry at his brother will be subject to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Stupid fool!’ [Greek “Raca,” a term of verbal abuse involving lack of intelligence] will be subject to the council, and whoever says, ‘Obstinate fool!’ [Perhaps with the idea of obstinate, godless foolishness; some take the word to be a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew word for “rebel” ( Deut 21:18, 20)] will be subject to fiery hell.

Green said:



First, I do not consider any person, to include both you and I to have absolute truth. All humans, due to their humanity may be the source of some error.

I call it like I see it. You were correct in what you said, so I acknowledged it.

Can you honestly tell me that you are not "focusing on English words" in the above? Yet you seem to ridicule others who address biblical passages in this manner, focusing on the English words.

Why is the English word important to you, APL? (After you answer this, perhaps you'll better understand why it might be important to other speakers of English.)

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

G: IN the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1, NKJV)
G: The word "heaven" is singular in Hebrew. Why make it plural? The KJV and the NKJV differ only on that one letter "S" for that whole verse...and it's less accurate to add it. Why did they?

k: (KJV!) Ge 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

G: Your conflation of Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 2:1 does not prove anything to me.




One day, as I was walking along, I came across and surprised some raccoons. They made a bee-line towards the woods. I calculated a trajectory course to cross their path before the woods. It was not my purpose to get bit, but merely to get them to stop and reconsider whether it was wise for them to pursue their direction of travel. It works with domestic cows. When my confrontation crossed the raccoon's course, they snarled and snapped at me. I yielded and let them continue on their course. Wild animals become very irrational and hostile when confronted with the errors of their course.

The above is incorrect. Check your Young's Analytical Concordance, if you wish to check on what I say.

The Hebrew word transliterated into the English alphabet is: shamayim.

That word has been translated a large number of times in the singular form.

That same word has also been translated a large number of times in the plural form.