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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #157494
10/23/13 09:21 PM
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Thank you for posting those links and hopefully others as they become available. TY


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: Daryl] #157689
10/29/13 03:36 AM
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Lecture 6 has been posted. The title of the lecture is "Do you believe the writing of Moses". The audio in MP3 is here: http://is.gd/sss2013audio.

The video is not on YouTube yet, but it is on the Kettering College website here:
https://kc.instructure.com/courses/871063

The lecture looks at the teaching of evolution and the compatibility with SDA church.

Lecture 5 is not yet available due to technical issues with the Kettering College audio system, though it has been captured and will be available hopefully in the near future. It is best to listen to the lectures in sequence as they build on each other.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #157694
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My Android note does not take this


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: Johann] #157700
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You are correct Johann, the Kettering site works on Windows ONLY. Sad. That is why the files have been transcoded and put on YouTube and in MP3 format. MP3 and YouTube will work on your Android device. You miss the slides with the MP3 files, and the YouTube files are delayed.


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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #159129
12/10/13 01:45 AM
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Lectures 7, 8 and 10 are now available. 9 and 11 hopefully this weekend. Video here: http://is.gd/sss2013


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #159137
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Originally Posted By: APL
Lectures 7, 8 and 10 are now available. 9 and 11 hopefully this weekend. Video here: http://is.gd/sss2013

Lecture 7 looks at Science and the 10 Commandments.
Lecture 8 looks at Salvation and Christ's Life
Lecture 10 looks at the Sermon on the Mount and Game Theory Science.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #160519
01/18/14 03:55 AM
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Just finished #9. Is Satan so foolish as to "compete" against God by devising a system that kills its adherents virtually instantly unless God prevents their death?


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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: asygo] #160536
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Lectures 11, 12 and 13 are now posted.

Lecture 13 - The End of Sin and Sinners, should be of interest to most here. Yet, it is important to understand the back ground and hear the series from the beginning. Note - Lectures 3 and 5 are being re-recorded due to equipment failure in the recording system.

Originally Posted By: asygo
Just finished #9. Is Satan so foolish as to "compete" against God by devising a system that kills its adherents virtually instantly unless God prevents their death?
That is what sin is, transgression of the law, and the wages that sin pays is death.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #160539
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Let's say you were a software company seeking to compete against Microsoft. Would you design an operating system that crashes upon boot if left to itself, and could survive only if a patch from Microsoft is installed? I could see how the paradigm works given that God keeps sinners alive artificially in order to show the universe how much suffering results from Satan's ways. But it seems to me that Satan would be wiser to make his attack more subtle - let death come from unplugging from the power source rather than a system failure.

I have another problem. If the solution is purely genetic, coming from Christ's physically restored blood, how does that physically get into our blood stream? The scion is still physically attached to the healed plant, even with the 30 cm extension. How are we physically attached to Christ's blood?

Do you believe that whatever MGEs Jesus may have had were solely from hereditary sources? If so, how did He get the MGEs we have from cultivating? If He didn't have them, He couldn't fix them.

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By God's grace,
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: asygo] #160544
01/18/14 07:01 PM
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asygo - you analogy does not fit. Put your metaphor in the framework of the Great Controversy. Satan accused the hardware/software manufacturer of being not fair, of making an inferior product. Why should Christ be higher than himself? Satan sought to "correct the law" in heaven, "to supply an amendment of his own" (see {ST, November 19, 1894 par. 2}) But what happened? Satan found out that his amendments were not improvements. "There was a time when Satan was in harmony with God, and it was his joy to execute the divine commands. His heart was filled with love and joy in serving his Creator, until he began to think that his wisdom was not derived from God, but was inherent in himself, and that he was as worthy as was God to receive honor and power. When he found that he could not be as God, he was filled with rebellion, and would not submit his will to the will of God." {ST, September 18, 1893 par. 1}

Was it Satan's plan to KILL everything? NO. He wanted to highjack humanity and use them in the rebellion. Satan desired that Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of life after their fall, see {PP 60}.

asgo: I have another problem. If the solution is purely genetic, coming from Christ's physically restored blood, how does that physically get into our blood stream? The scion is still physically attached to the healed plant, even with the 30 cm extension. How are we physically attached to Christ's blood?

John 3:3-8
3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.
8 The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Just because you don't see the Spirit working does not mean it is not working.

asygo: Do you believe that whatever MGEs Jesus may have had were solely from hereditary sources? If so, how did He get the MGEs we have from cultivating? If He didn't have them, He couldn't fix them.

It is true, Christ did not participate in our sin. EGW: In taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. {5BC 1131.3} MGEs are the source of all problems, the cause of all disease, the cause of all death. Cultivation only strengthens the abbarrent pathways. The problem is still getting rid of the sin, the MGEs. Christ was tempted in all ways as we are. He knows was we go through. EGW: Christ bore the sins and infirmities of the race as they existed when He came to the earth to help man. In behalf of the race, with the weaknesses of fallen man upon Him, He was to stand the temptations of Satan upon all points wherewith man would be assailed.--The Review and Herald, July 28, 1874. (also {1SM 267.3} )


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