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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #160552
01/18/14 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Was it Satan's plan to KILL everything? NO. He wanted to highjack humanity and use them in the rebellion. Satan desired that Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of life after their fall, see {PP 60}.

So, it was not Satan who packaged sin and deah together. He wanted sin and life. I agree wih that.

That sin and death should go together is not a Satanic plan.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #160553
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Originally Posted By: APL
asgo: I have another problem. If the solution is purely genetic, coming from Christ's physically restored blood, how does that physically get into our blood stream? The scion is still physically attached to the healed plant, even with the 30 cm extension. How are we physically attached to Christ's blood?

Just because you don't see the Spirit working does not mean it is not working.

Are you saying the Holy Spirit performs a literal, physical transfusion of Christ's blood into us? How does Christ's genetic material get into my arteries?


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #160554
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asygo: Do you believe that whatever MGEs Jesus may have had were solely from hereditary sources? If so, how did He get the MGEs we have from cultivating? If He didn't have them, He couldn't fix them.

It is true, Christ did not participate in our sin. EGW: In taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. {5BC 1131.3} MGEs are the source of all problems, the cause of all disease, the cause of all death. Cultivation only strengthens the abbarrent pathways. The problem is still getting rid of the sin, the MGEs. Christ was tempted in all ways as we are. He knows was we go through.

Are you saying that succumbing to MGEs will not form new MGEs, but merely strengthen what is already there? How are new aberrant pathways formed?


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: asygo] #160562
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asygo - HOW will participating in sin, create new novel DNA? Did you listen to the whole presentation including the coding for the 2 separate neural pathways? Using a particular neural pathway strengths that pathway, it does not create new forms of coding DNA. Participating in the sin strengths the sinful pathways, making it easier to repeat the same behavior and harder to suppress that behavior. Participation causes "hot spots" which can cause MGEs to multiply and jump, causing more damage, but not new MGEs.


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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #160568
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So how do new MGEs ever appear? How did we get from Adam with 0% MGEs to us with 85% MGEs?


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: asygo] #160571
01/19/14 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
So how do new MGEs ever appear? How did we get from Adam with 0% MGEs to us with 85% MGEs?
They are, the works of the devil. "In how short a time from the first sin of Adam did sin increase and spread like the leprosy. It is the nature of sin to increase. From generation to generation sin has spread like a contagious disease." {ST, December 20, 1877 par. 2} Even the air, upon which their life depended, bore the seeds of death. {Ed 26.3} Their offspring are compelled to be sufferers by disease transmitted to them. Thus disease has been perpetuated from generation to generation. And many charge all this weight of human misery upon God, when their wrong course of action has brought the sure result. They have thrown upon society an enfeebled race, and done their part to deteriorate the race, by rendering disease hereditary, and thus accumulating human suffering. {RH, July 4, 1899 par. 4} It would have been an almost infinite humiliation for the Son of God to take man's nature, even when Adam stood in his innocence in Eden. But Jesus accepted humanity when the race had been weakened by four thousand years of sin. Like every child of Adam He accepted the results of the working of the great law of heredity. What these results were is shown in the history of His earthly ancestors. He came with such a heredity to share our sorrows and temptations, and to give us the example of a sinless life. {DA 48.5}

Those who through an intelligent understanding of the Scriptures view the cross aright, those who truly believe in Jesus, have a sure foundation for their faith. They have that faith which works by love and purifies the soul from all its hereditary and cultivated imperfections.--6T 238 (1900). {1MCP 146.3}

Epigenetics also comes into play, in either promoting or suppressing MGEs. And the epigenetic switches themselves can be inherited, in the next generation!

Also understand that there are a lot of MGEs that have been locked up. And MGEs can cross species. Think of the dietary laws...


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #160595
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Are you saying that MGEs are 100% hereditary? You don't get more by a life of sin?


By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: asygo] #160611
01/20/14 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
Are you saying that MGEs are 100% hereditary? You don't get more by a life of sin?
I read your previous question, "So how do new MGEs ever appear?" as are new MGEs created by our actions. No, new MGEs are not created by us, but we accumulate MGEs over time. Here is a tremendous amount of lateral DNA transfer. A simple example is the flu virus. Or Hepatitis virus, or Herpes virus. There is exchange of DNA via intimate human contact. The rules for clean and unclear are not arbitrary. The rules in the NT for converts given in Acts 15 and 21 are not arbitrary; abstain from things strangled and blood, and fornication. These can all be explained via MGE and/or micro RNAs. So yeah, if you want to talk about cultivated, then yes we accumulate MGEs that way and strengthen them.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: APL] #160634
01/20/14 06:44 PM
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Back to my original question. Did Jesus have accumulated and strengthened MGEs? We all do by cultivatation, but He never cultivated. Were His MGEs as strong as mine? If so, how?


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series [Re: asygo] #160648
01/20/14 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
Back to my original question. Did Jesus have accumulated and strengthened MGEs? We all do by cultivatation, but He never cultivated. Were His MGEs as strong as mine? If so, how?

Christ lived on earth. Yes, He had MGEs and accumulated MGEs.
Even the air, upon which their life depended, bore the seeds of death. {Ed 26.3} They are everywhere. Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 2:17-18 Why in all things it behooved him to be made like to his brothers, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself has suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For he has made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bore our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live to righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed.

He had to have had the same infection we have. He was the Sin Bearer.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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