Epigenetics involves the switching on and off genes in the genetic code. The actual base pairs of genetic code do not change, but how the code is read and expressed can change. These epigenetic switches can be inherited in the next generation. And, these switches can persist for 3 to 4 generations!

If you want to see an online description of epigenetics, see: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/genes/mice-flash.html

These two mice are identical twin sisters. However, they have a difference in an epigenetic switch which gives them very different appearances.


EGW writes about how the thoughts and feelings of a mother influences the character of the unborn child. HOW does this happen? Answer: epigenetics. (also a key term - influences, does not determine)

So, did pre-fall Adam have the same base pairs as post-fall Adam?

NO! And THAT is the problem!

Tell me if I'm right so far:
1. Actively sinning does NOT change base pairs. It just turns switches on and off.
2. Adam's sin changed his base pairs.

Assuming that's correct:
1. It seems Adam's sin was qualitatively different from ours.
2. Did all changes to base pairs happen at Adam's sin, or were there more changes later?
3. If there were more changes, what kind of event effects this genetic change?

No, you are not correct.

Adam's base pairs were changed, this was the fall. There have been multiple falls! Each worse than the last. In this paradigm, "Sin" is the change in the genetic base pairs, the MGEs. We are on a downward spiral.

Epigenetics works on both normal and added, non-original DNA. In embryo genesis, you start with a single cell. As cell division progresses, cells differentiate into the various cell types. The genetic code contained in each cell is the same as the original. What has changed? The gene expression, and this is epigenetic switching of genes on and off. The non-original DNA is also under epigenetic control, Genesis 3:15. The choices we make, the exercise of our will, has an influence on our epigenetic switches. Drugs can cause epigenetic switching. One can become dependent on drugs. We can so damage ourselves by our choices that we will not respond to the Spirit's influence, this is the unpardonable sin.

We are accumulating MGEs from our environment, some by choice and some not by choice. The "seeds of death" in the air we breath. We pick up MGEs from the foods we eat, particularly animal products. There are some scary neurodegenerative diseases that slaughterhouse workers are afflicted with. These are MGE generated. HIV is a virus we acquire from the environment, often by certain behaviors we do. HIV is a type of MGE.

Given by the presenter in the lectures, proposed that all cancer is MGE originated. Melanoma being the first to be shown to be MGE. But you might ask, does not sun exposure "cause" melanoma? First, where does the Information that generates melanoma come from? The sun exposure does not create this new information. But what the excess sun does, is causes epigenetic switching to promote the transcription of the onco-genes that cause melanoma. The sun is a trigger, but the information that generates the melanoma was there before the trigger, it is the bullet.

All life is infected by Sin (mge) and suffers, Romans 8:22.

The problem is a very complex one. A war is being fought. We can see this in the cell with MGE as the body catalogs all this non-original DNA and attempts to get rid of it or lock it up (epigenetics). There is some much more to the story also...

You said a lot of things there. Let's slow it down.

Tell me if I'm right so far:
1. Actively sinning does NOT change base pairs. It just turns switches on and off.
2. Adam's sin changed his base pairs.

Which one of these is not correct?


What causes the base pairs to change? Didn't you say that acts of sin DO NOT change the base pairs? If that doesn't do it, what does?


In Adam's case, was biting the fruit = MGE?

OK - we have been attempting to keep this simple when it is far more complex. To quote EGW, the "seeds of death" were planted into the system when Satan tempted Adam to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. ( see {MH 229}, {ED 26.3}, {16MR 247.2} ) Satan was not out to kill Adam, the fruit was not poisonous, but Satan was out to take Adam captive. The seeds, the MGE changed Adam's base pairs.

When we choose to sin, several things can happen. We can have epigenetic changes. And we can also create what science calls, "hot spots", where MGE can be activated and mobilized into jumping. The jumping can cause changes in the base pairs. So several things can happen. Also selfish acts can bring us into contact with MGEs. So yes, our choices can cause MGE mobilization and changes in base pairs. But you can still have changes in the epigenome without changes in the base pairs. And there is a whole lot more.

What I said before, and let me clarify some, is that our acts of sinning, do not create new information per se, as I understand it, but can make us susceptible to MGEs, and cause the to mobilize. Sinning does not create MGEs. Sinning activates and/or mobilizes them. And the acts of sin, are the behaviors that SIN (MGEs) tempt us to commit. Thus, the acts of sin are the symptoms of the disease, SIN, and SIN is MGEs. To save us from this disease, it is called the plan of "Salvation", to salvage man. Salvation is healing, the ministry of healing, not the ministry of jurisprudence. Jeremiah 17:14 Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for you are my praise.


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Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge, which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up. In the parable of the sower the question was asked the master, "Didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?" The master answered, "An enemy hath done this." [Matthew 13:27, 28.] All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares. {16MR 247.2}

So which came first, Adam eating the fruit or Adam having MGEs? Is there a cause and effect relationship between the two events? Which event made him a sinner? Which event doomed him to death?

At what point did Eve lose her robe of light?

Adam - the eating of the fruit is what gave him the MGEs. No eating, no fall. Their change in garments came as the MGEs started to affect their physiology, which with can be quick with certain MGEs.

Understand this is conjecture - surprised? Who is going to do scientific experiments on sin? Would they be ethical? Could you even design an such experiments? The hypothesis comes from what MGEs do. THEY are the cause of all disease, aging and death, that is what the science is showing. Exactly what SIN does. MGEs load the gun, often lifestyle pulls the trigger.

But the MGEs did not come from the fruit itself? Or did they?