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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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01/21/14 01:03 AM
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Are you saying that there is no difference in the strength of MGEs between Jesus, who inherited MGEs and inhaled viruses but never indulged in sin, and us, who have cultivated sin by countless experiences of willful disobedience? That would mean that walking in sin does not make things worse for us.
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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asygo - you said you listened to lecture 9. I made the assumption, but it is clear I was wrong, that you had listened to the other lectures. If you had, then you would have the information needed to answer this question, particularly when the lectures speak about the neural pathways.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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I listened to all the available audio files. But I guess I didn't catch the answers that are so obvious to you. It was my first time listening to these ideas, so I am sorry that I did not measure up to your lofty standards. Perhaps you would be so gracious as to humor a moron such as myself with an answer that is clearly beneath you. Kind sir...
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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Do you recall the part where the speak talked about neural pathways?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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IIRC, using certain neural pathways makes it easier to use them again. Which leads to the question about Christ's neural pathways and how they relate to His temptations.
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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It is easier to transgress, than it is to press back against temptation. What did Christ do? The hard part! And every time we transgress, we make it easier to transgress again, until we no longer have any desire to resist. The unpardonable sin!
We are not to regard God as waiting to punish the sinner for his sin. The sinner brings the punishment upon himself. His own actions start a train of circumstances that bring the sure result. Every act of transgression reacts upon the sinner, works in him a change of character, and makes it more easy for him to transgress again. By choosing to sin, men separate themselves from God, cut themselves off from the channel of blessing, and the sure result is ruin and death. {1888 1576.1}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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So it easier for is to transgress than it was for Jesus, since we have doe it already.
She speaks of a "change of character" in the transgressor. What is the physical carrier of that information?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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EGW:"Adam found by sad experience that it was easier to transgress the commandments of God than to resist and press back the tide of moral wretchedness that was pressing in upon him." {RH, April 29, 1875 par. 5}
Christ never participated in sin. He took the hard route.
asygo:"What is the physical carrier of that [character] information?" That be us. Do you understand what epigenetics is?
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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EGW:"Adam found by sad experience that it was easier to transgress the commandments of God than to resist and press back the tide of moral wretchedness that was pressing in upon him." {RH, April 29, 1875 par. 5}
Christ never participated in sin. He took the hard route. So obviously, He did not walk in our footsteps. And whatever mud we may get on our feet by our chosen path, He did not get. Right?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: The Science of Sin and Salvation - Study Series
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asygo:"What is the physical carrier of that [character] information?" That be us. Do you understand what epigenetics is? No, I can't say I understand epigenetics. I have a better chance understanding wave-particle duality, and I don't understand that very well. In any case, it seems then that if we carry that change of character genetically, Christ did not have the same genetics, for He never transgressed. Right?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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